Photographing ugly people.
 

In article , Peter Jason
wrote:

Some are cross-eyed. How does one handle this sort of thing? They're
looking in every direction at once!

sunglasses.

Photographing ugly people.
 

On 2017-05-17 03:00:37 +0000, Peter Jason said:

On Mon, 15 May 2017 20:53:32 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On May 15, 2017, Peter Jason wrote
(in ):

Is there any standard way to convince an ugly person to look in a
particular direction? Discreetly?

There are too many factors psycological and environmental, for both the
shooter and/or the subject to be able to provide a single standard answer.

You say the subject is ugly, but who has made that determination, you the
shooter, or the subject?

You say you want to make the subject behave in a certain way by looking in a
certain direction, discreetly?
That tells me you are trying to capture a candid image without the
subject’s approval.

Is this a person you know, and can relate to, or is this a question general
and you want to capture a shot of a stranger?

Is this meant to be a candid shot, or is the subject being posed?

Does the subject know you are trying to capture their image?

Is the subject truly ugly, or does he/she just have a poor self image?

Each scenario requires a different technique.
If you know the subject, just ask,, even if you don’t know the
subject, just ask, and see where that leads. Otherwise you might have to be
somewhat sneaky.

Some are cross-eyed. How does one handle this sort of thing? They're
looking in every direction at once!

Cross-eyed has nothing to do with ugly. The best way to go about
getting that portrait to look for a favorable profile or semi-profile.
There will be one side which is better, and you might be able to
convince the subject that you are trying to make a complimentary
protrain, not one which emphasizes a physical problem which they are
probably sensitive of.
That is unless you are actually trying to document strabismus.
--
Regards,

Savageduck

Photographing ugly people.
 

On May 16, 2017, Savageduck wrote
(in article2017051621083324831-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom):

On 2017-05-17 03:00:37 +0000, Peter said:

On Mon, 15 May 2017 20:53:32 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On May 15, 2017, Peter Jason wrote
(in ):

Is there any standard way to convince an ugly person to look in a
particular direction? Discreetly?

There are too many factors psycological and environmental, for both the
shooter and/or the subject to be able to provide a single standard answer.

You say the subject is ugly, but who has made that determination, you the
shooter, or the subject?

You say you want to make the subject behave in a certain way by looking in
a
certain direction, discreetly?
That tells me you are trying to capture a candid image without the
subject’s approval.

Is this a person you know, and can relate to, or is this a question general
and you want to capture a shot of a stranger?

Is this meant to be a candid shot, or is the subject being posed?

Does the subject know you are trying to capture their image?

Is the subject truly ugly, or does he/she just have a poor self image?

Each scenario requires a different technique.
If you know the subject, just ask,, even if you don’t know the
subject, just ask, and see where that leads. Otherwise you might have to be
somewhat sneaky.

Some are cross-eyed. How does one handle this sort of thing? They're
looking in every direction at once!

Cross-eyed has nothing to do with ugly. The best way to go about
getting that portrait is to look for a favorable profile, or semi-profile.
There will be one side which is better, and you might be able to
convince the subject that you are trying to make a complimentary
protrain, not one which emphasizes a physical problem which they are
probably sensitive of.

....er, portrait, not “protrain".

That is unless you are actually trying to document strabismus.

--

Regards,
Savageduck

Photographing ugly people.
 

On 5/17/2017 12:08 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2017-05-17 03:00:37 +0000, Peter Jason said:

On Mon, 15 May 2017 20:53:32 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On May 15, 2017, Peter Jason wrote
(in ):

Is there any standard way to convince an ugly person to look in a
particular direction? Discreetly?

There are too many factors psycological and environmental, for both the
shooter and/or the subject to be able to provide a single standard
answer.

You say the subject is ugly, but who has made that determination,
you the
shooter, or the subject?

You say you want to make the subject behave in a certain way by
looking in a
certain direction, discreetly?
That tells me you are trying to capture a candid image without the
subject’s approval.

Is this a person you know, and can relate to, or is this a question
general
and you want to capture a shot of a stranger?

Is this meant to be a candid shot, or is the subject being posed?

Does the subject know you are trying to capture their image?

Is the subject truly ugly, or does he/she just have a poor self image?

Each scenario requires a different technique.
If you know the subject, just ask,, even if you don’t know the
subject, just ask, and see where that leads. Otherwise you might
have to be
somewhat sneaky.

Some are cross-eyed. How does one handle this sort of thing? They're
looking in every direction at once!

Cross-eyed has nothing to do with ugly. The best way to go about
getting that portrait to look for a favorable profile or semi-profile.
There will be one side which is better, and you might be able to
convince the subject that you are trying to make a complimentary
protrain, not one which emphasizes a physical problem which they are
probably sensitive of.
That is unless you are actually trying to document strabismus.

This little girl is cross-eyed but her cuteness level is off the charts
(I'm referring to the one with the hat on)

http://www.pete-the-greek.com/Pets/Bella/i-KxrBp4V/A

Photographing ugly people.
 

RichA wrote:
On Monday, 15 May 2017 23:22:38 UTC-4, Peter Jason wrote:
Is there any standard way to convince an ugly person to look in a
particular direction? Discreetly?

I dislike "street photography." Most images you don't want to take a second look at.

Like the photography of Walker Evans, Alfred Eisenstadt,
Dorothea Lange, Henri Cartier-Bresson, Garry Winogrand,
Robert Frank, Joel Meyerowitz and Vivian Maier!

All Street Photographers, and you are saying they took
pictures not worth a second look.

There is a really huge problem with credibility in your
statement, and it has nothing to do with Street
Photography. It is you...

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/
Utqiagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

Photographing ugly people.
 

Whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 17 May 2017 22:08:57 UTC+1, Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
RichA wrote:
On Monday, 15 May 2017 23:22:38 UTC-4, Peter Jason wrote:
Is there any standard way to convince an ugly person to look in a
particular direction? Discreetly?

I dislike "street photography." Most images you don't want to take a second look at.

Like the photography of Walker Evans, Alfred Eisenstadt,
Dorothea Lange, Henri Cartier-Bresson, Garry Winogrand,
Robert Frank, Joel Meyerowitz and Vivian Maier!

spouting a few names doesn;t mean much anyone can do that.
How about linking to some worthwhile images to prove the point or is that too difficult.

And obviously not just anyone has a clue either. If you
don't recognize all of those names, and know fairly well
the significance of their work... you fit the same
catagory as the OP: too ignorant about photography to
even discuss this.

All Street Photographers, and you are saying they took
pictures not worth a second look.

You'd know if you'd actually read what was said.

What does the word I 'dislike' mean ?
Most images you don't want to take a second look at.

Look up the word Most.
Note he never mentioned street photographers.

So it's not "street photographers" that take images labeled as Street Photography?

Have another drink, you aren't making a lick of sense.

There is a really huge problem with credibility in your
statement, and it has nothing to do with Street
Photography. It is you...

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/
Utqiagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/
Utqiagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

Photographing ugly people.
 

RichA wrote:
On Wednesday, 17 May 2017 17:08:57 UTC-4, Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
RichA wrote:
On Monday, 15 May 2017 23:22:38 UTC-4, Peter Jason wrote:
Is there any standard way to convince an ugly person to look in a
particular direction? Discreetly?

I dislike "street photography." Most images you don't want to take a second look at.

Like the photography of Walker Evans, Alfred Eisenstadt,
Dorothea Lange, Henri Cartier-Bresson, Garry Winogrand,
Robert Frank, Joel Meyerowitz and Vivian Maier!

All Street Photographers

MOST. MOST. MOST. Not all.

All those listed did Street Photography. Don't display
more ignorance!

Speaking drinking issues,
you are in Alaska, which his the highest percentage of
alcoholics in the U.S.

Exactly, which means I probably have more than average
experience in recognizing the way people act that have
that problem. And also vastly more reason to be adamant
that alcohol use is a very bad idea. At a minimum it
causes dolts to act like dolts when the post to Usenet.

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/
Utqiagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

Photographing ugly people.
 

On 5/19/2017 12:59 AM, Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
RichA wrote:
On Wednesday, 17 May 2017 17:08:57 UTC-4, Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
RichA wrote:
On Monday, 15 May 2017 23:22:38 UTC-4, Peter Jason wrote:
Is there any standard way to convince an ugly person to look in a
particular direction? Discreetly?

I dislike "street photography." Most images you don't want to take a second look at.

Like the photography of Walker Evans, Alfred Eisenstadt,
Dorothea Lange, Henri Cartier-Bresson, Garry Winogrand,
Robert Frank, Joel Meyerowitz and Vivian Maier!

All Street Photographers

MOST. MOST. MOST. Not all.

All those listed did Street Photography. Don't display
more ignorance!

Speaking drinking issues,
you are in Alaska, which his the highest percentage of
alcoholics in the U.S.

Exactly, which means I probably have more than average
experience in recognizing the way people act that have
that problem. And also vastly more reason to be adamant
that alcohol use is a very bad idea. At a minimum it
causes dolts to act like dolts when the post to Usenet.


And has been known to turn them into yutzes and putzes.


--
PeterN

Photographing ugly people.
 

On May 19, 2017, RichA wrote
(in ):

On Friday, 19 May 2017 00:59:15 UTC-4, Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
RichA wrote:
On Wednesday, 17 May 2017 17:08:57 UTC-4, Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
RichA wrote:
On Monday, 15 May 2017 23:22:38 UTC-4, Peter Jason wrote:
Is there any standard way to convince an ugly person to look in a
particular direction? Discreetly?

I dislike "street photography." Most images you don't want to take a
second look at.

Like the photography of Walker Evans, Alfred Eisenstadt,
Dorothea Lange, Henri Cartier-Bresson, Garry Winogrand,
Robert Frank, Joel Meyerowitz and Vivian Maier!

All Street Photographers

MOST. MOST. MOST. Not all.

All those listed did Street Photography. Don't display
more ignorance!

Speaking drinking issues,
you are in Alaska, which his the highest percentage of
alcoholics in the U.S.

Exactly, which means I probably have more than average
experience in recognizing the way people act that have
that problem. And also vastly more reason to be adamant
that alcohol use is a very bad idea.

The only thing worse than an alcoholic is a preachy teetotaler.

I guess you have never had to deal with a heavy tweaker (crank user), or
“Sherm” (PCP) user. Anyone from that particular group would make a juice
junkie seem to be a social delight.

--

Regards,
Savageduck

Photographing ugly people.
 

On 5/19/2017 8:07 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On May 19, 2017, RichA wrote
(in ):

On Friday, 19 May 2017 00:59:15 UTC-4, Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
RichA wrote:
On Wednesday, 17 May 2017 17:08:57 UTC-4, Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
RichA wrote:
On Monday, 15 May 2017 23:22:38 UTC-4, Peter Jason wrote:
Is there any standard way to convince an ugly person to look in a
particular direction? Discreetly?
I dislike "street photography." Most images you don't want to take a
second look at.
Like the photography of Walker Evans, Alfred Eisenstadt,
Dorothea Lange, Henri Cartier-Bresson, Garry Winogrand,
Robert Frank, Joel Meyerowitz and Vivian Maier!

All Street Photographers
MOST. MOST. MOST. Not all.
All those listed did Street Photography. Don't display
more ignorance!

Speaking drinking issues,
you are in Alaska, which his the highest percentage of
alcoholics in the U.S.
Exactly, which means I probably have more than average
experience in recognizing the way people act that have
that problem. And also vastly more reason to be adamant
that alcohol use is a very bad idea.
The only thing worse than an alcoholic is a preachy teetotaler.
I guess you have never had to deal with a heavy tweaker (crank user), or
“Sherm” (PCP) user. Anyone from that particular group would make a juice
junkie seem to be a social delight.

As a LEO, you got to see and deal with the lowest forms of humanity. I
told my son when he decided to join the NYPD that he will see things
that can harden the softest heart and that he needs to do whatever is
necessary to maintain his sense of humanity.