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In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61443795

Not really suprising as adobe have gone this way and essentailly Apple have
too you buy the device and get **free updates** for the 'life' of the product
which is one reason why Apple devices are a bit more expensive to buy.

nonsense. the price of apple products has absolutely nothing whatsoever
to do with updates and are comparable to prices of similar competing
products, plus android and windows also have free updates, for devices
that often cost *more*.

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On 14/08/2018 09:57, nospam wrote:
In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61443795

Not really suprising as adobe have gone this way and essentailly Apple have
too you buy the device and get **free updates** for the 'life' of the product
which is one reason why Apple devices are a bit more expensive to buy.

nonsense. the price of apple products has absolutely nothing whatsoever
to do with updates and are comparable to prices of similar competing
products, plus android and windows also have free updates, for devices
that often cost *more*.


I'm not sure if this is the point that either of you are
making/disputing, but doesn't Apple provide some quite decent software -
Pages, Garageband, Keynote and so on - that you don't get with Windows?

--
Cheers, Rob

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In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

Not really suprising as adobe have gone this way and essentailly Apple
have
too you buy the device and get **free updates** for the 'life' of the
product
which is one reason why Apple devices are a bit more expensive to buy.

nonsense.

You'rer talking ****.

nope. that would be you, as usual.

Apple doesn;t charge for updates or upgrades to new OS's so the cost must be
included in the price of the device.

nor does microsoft or google.

updates to windows 10 and android are free.

in fact, today is patch tuesday and another free update will be
available.

the price of apple products has absolutely nothing whatsoever
to do with updates and are comparable to prices of similar competing
products,

That can;t be compared that easily.

Software doesn't get written for free.

nobody said it did.

plus android and windows also have free updates, for devices
that often cost *more*.

how about free upgrades how free was windows 7 windows 8 and now windows 10

how free was macos 10.2, 10.3, 10.4, 10.5, 10.6 and 10.7?
iphone os even had a paid upgrade.

check on amazon and then see how much the last few Apple OS's are.

Why can't I have a free copy of windows for my mac ?

whoosh.

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In article , RJH wrote:

Not really suprising as adobe have gone this way and essentailly Apple
have
too you buy the device and get **free updates** for the 'life' of the
product
which is one reason why Apple devices are a bit more expensive to buy.

nonsense. the price of apple products has absolutely nothing whatsoever
to do with updates and are comparable to prices of similar competing
products, plus android and windows also have free updates, for devices
that often cost *more*.


I'm not sure if this is the point that either of you are
making/disputing, but doesn't Apple provide some quite decent software -
Pages, Garageband, Keynote and so on - that you don't get with Windows?

yep, also for free.

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In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

MS doesn't opertate like this as it charges for a new OS and office depending
how you want to pay for it.

windows 10 updates are free.

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On 14/08/2018 17:08, nospam wrote:
In article , RJH wrote:

Not really suprising as adobe have gone this way and essentailly Apple
have
too you buy the device and get **free updates** for the 'life' of the
product
which is one reason why Apple devices are a bit more expensive to buy.

nonsense. the price of apple products has absolutely nothing whatsoever
to do with updates and are comparable to prices of similar competing
products, plus android and windows also have free updates, for devices
that often cost *more*.


I'm not sure if this is the point that either of you are
making/disputing, but doesn't Apple provide some quite decent software -
Pages, Garageband, Keynote and so on - that you don't get with Windows?

yep, also for free.


Well, I'd have to agree with Dave on this - it's not free. If Apple
didn't provide the software, then I'd have thought their computers would
be cheaper.

--
Cheers, Rob

Tiresomely. Windows might go the way of PS. The "rental economy" strikes again
 

In article , RJH wrote:

Not really suprising as adobe have gone this way and essentailly Apple
have
too you buy the device and get **free updates** for the 'life' of the
product
which is one reason why Apple devices are a bit more expensive to buy.

nonsense. the price of apple products has absolutely nothing whatsoever
to do with updates and are comparable to prices of similar competing
products, plus android and windows also have free updates, for devices
that often cost *more*.


I'm not sure if this is the point that either of you are
making/disputing, but doesn't Apple provide some quite decent software -
Pages, Garageband, Keynote and so on - that you don't get with Windows?

yep, also for free.

Well, I'd have to agree with Dave on this - it's not free.

they are free.

If Apple
didn't provide the software, then I'd have thought their computers would
be cheaper.

you thought wrong.

macs and iphones are competitively priced, often cheaper than the
alternatives.

also, pcs didn't go up in price with windows 10 updates being free.

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On 14/08/2018 18:35, nospam wrote:
In article , RJH wrote:

Not really suprising as adobe have gone this way and essentailly Apple
have
too you buy the device and get **free updates** for the 'life' of the
product
which is one reason why Apple devices are a bit more expensive to buy.

nonsense. the price of apple products has absolutely nothing whatsoever
to do with updates and are comparable to prices of similar competing
products, plus android and windows also have free updates, for devices
that often cost *more*.


I'm not sure if this is the point that either of you are
making/disputing, but doesn't Apple provide some quite decent software -
Pages, Garageband, Keynote and so on - that you don't get with Windows?

yep, also for free.

Well, I'd have to agree with Dave on this - it's not free.

they are free.

If Apple
didn't provide the software, then I'd have thought their computers would
be cheaper.

you thought wrong.


I thought differently :-)

I think it's a culture thing. I have a group of friends who constantly
celebrate 'freebies'. We go to pubs where they claim they get a 'free
pint' if they buy 4. It's not free. They had to buy 4 to get it. And
then add insult because they didn't want 5 in the first place. But
somehow manage to cram it in ;-)

Same as the BOGOF syndrome - with a similar (if more benign) waste
dimension. I wonder how many people actually use Mac WP etc software?

Somebody, somewhere, pays. It is not free. If you want to think the
software's free, be my guest.

But you'd be wrong :-)


--
Cheers, Rob

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In article , RJH wrote:

Not really suprising as adobe have gone this way and essentailly Apple
have
too you buy the device and get **free updates** for the 'life' of the
product
which is one reason why Apple devices are a bit more expensive to buy.

nonsense. the price of apple products has absolutely nothing whatsoever
to do with updates and are comparable to prices of similar competing
products, plus android and windows also have free updates, for devices
that often cost *more*.


I'm not sure if this is the point that either of you are
making/disputing, but doesn't Apple provide some quite decent software -
Pages, Garageband, Keynote and so on - that you don't get with Windows?

yep, also for free.

Well, I'd have to agree with Dave on this - it's not free.

they are free.

If Apple
didn't provide the software, then I'd have thought their computers would
be cheaper.

you thought wrong.

I thought differently :-)

no, you thought wrong.

apple's product prices did not increase to cover the cost of pages,
garageband, keynote and the operating system when they all became free.

put another way, if apple were to start charging for that, the prices
of the computers and phones would not decrease.

I think it's a culture thing. I have a group of friends who constantly
celebrate 'freebies'. We go to pubs where they claim they get a 'free
pint' if they buy 4. It's not free. They had to buy 4 to get it. And
then add insult because they didn't want 5 in the first place. But
somehow manage to cram it in ;-)

did the price of 4 pints go up to cover the cost of the free 5th from
when it wasn't ree? or is it just a promo, to get more customers? hint:
the latter.

many stores offer free samples of food and even wine. you don't need to
buy anything to partake. someone could be a mooch and go store to store
munching on the free samples and even getting a bit of a buzz. the idea
is that you buy whatever it is they're sampling, but you don't have to.

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In article ,
RichA wrote:

MS doesn't opertate like this as it charges for a new OS and office
depending
how you want to pay for it.

windows 10 updates are free.

And annoying.

true.

They aren't an option unless you go through a convoluted
process to stop them

bad idea

and they balk at installing if you have any kind of
safety program running, which most do.

use the built in windows security.

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On Aug 14, 2018, RichA wrote
(in ):

On Tuesday, 14 August 2018 12:08:12 UTC-4, nospam wrote:
In ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

MS doesn't opertate like this as it charges for a new OS and office
depending
how you want to pay for it.

windows 10 updates are free.

And annoying. They aren't an option unless you go through a convoluted
process to stop them and they balk at installing if you have any kind of
safety program running, which most do.

Why did you post this 100% OT post tor.p.d. where it serves no purpose??

It seems to me you should have raised this issue in one of the Windows NGs
rather than in a photo NG.

--

Regards,
Savageduck

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In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:


If Apple
didn't provide the software, then I'd have thought their computers
would be cheaper.

you thought wrong.

I thought differently :-)

no, you thought wrong.

and you're an idiot.

ad hominem. you lose.

You're fooled by advertising you clickm on a link you're data harvested and
you think the game is free.

which has absolutely nothing to do with free system updates, and apple
doesn't monetize users via advertising either.

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In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:


Why doesnlt another company Mac an OS for the Mac then .

power computing and several others did, however, that's not relevant to
the topic.

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In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

Why doesnlt another company Mac an OS for the Mac then .

power computing and several others did, however, that's not relevant to
the topic.

Yes it is.

nope. it was never about clones.

Why don't Apple write an OS for PCs ? Then OS X would have a bigger market
share. Why not export iOS so it can be used on the andriod system ?
Again increasing their market share.

apple wisely does not chase market share.

porting macos and ios to pc and android hardware would involve a
significant number of compromises because that hardware lacks key
features. the result would be awful.

apple is the first trillion dollar company. they're doing something
right.

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In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:


Power computing put together hardware that was almost mac level
and then they put Apple software on it which only just worked.
Pretty short lived idea.

actually, their computers exceeded macs in some ways and they were
quite successful at it.

Why don't Apple write an OS for PCs ? Then OS X would have a bigger market
share. Why not export iOS so it can be used on the andriod system ?
Again increasing their market share.

apple wisely does not chase market share.

Irrelivent, and you know it or should know it.

not irrelevant at all.

porting macos and ios to pc and android hardware would involve a
significant number of compromises because that hardware lacks key
features. the result would be awful.

So, makes no diffence, they did it at power computing didn't they.
If they cna do it how come apple can't.

whoosh.

apple is the first trillion dollar company. they're doing something
right.

Yep not charging for the OS's seems to be working, just include
it in the price of the computer when purchased.

except the price of the computers did not change when the os went from
paid to free.

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In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

Power computing put together hardware that was almost mac level
and then they put Apple software on it which only just worked.
Pretty short lived idea.

actually, their computers exceeded macs in some ways and they were
quite successful at it.

They did have faster clock speeds but when it came to software updates most
failed despite these updates being free.

the updates did not fail.

Quite successful didn;t last long though did it.

it lasted up until apple canceled cloning.

and they had to pay a fee to Apple for each license sold.

of course.

dell, lenovo and others pay microsoft to license windows.

android device makers pay google to license android (other than the
ones that just use the core that lacks all the expected features).

Why did they have to pay Apple.

because mac os is owned by apple.

You could only buy them for a couple of years , then they went out of
business as steve job didn't want to license mac software to anyone else.

because it was detrimental to apple.