New Canon 24-70 f/4
 

So what's the point of the just-announced Canon 24-70mm f/4L IS lens? It's a
stop too slow to be a good indoor lens, and as an outdoor lens it doesn't have
nearly the range of the 24-105 f/4 that most people like. Is it aimed mainly
at compulsive pixel peepers who think the 24-105 isn't sharp enough but can't
afford the new 24-70 f/2.8? Is that a big enough market to be worth the
trouble?

Bob

New Canon 24-70 f/4
 

On 2012.11.10 01:54 , Robert Coe wrote:
So what's the point of the just-announced Canon 24-70mm f/4L IS lens? It's a
stop too slow to be a good indoor lens, and as an outdoor lens it doesn't have
nearly the range of the 24-105 f/4 that most people like. Is it aimed mainly
at compulsive pixel peepers who think the 24-105 isn't sharp enough but can't
afford the new 24-70 f/2.8?

With the low noise performance of most DSLR's it's not that big of a
deal - bump up the ISO one more stop. Indeed, even cropping to get the
equivalent of the last 35mm of zoom will work in many cases.


--
"There were, unfortunately, no great principles on which parties
were divided – politics became a mere struggle for office."
-Sir John A. Macdonald

New Canon 24-70 f/4
 

On 11/10/2012 5:07 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2012.11.10 01:54 , Robert Coe wrote:
So what's the point of the just-announced Canon 24-70mm f/4L IS lens?
It's a
stop too slow to be a good indoor lens, and as an outdoor lens it
doesn't have
nearly the range of the 24-105 f/4 that most people like. Is it aimed
mainly
at compulsive pixel peepers who think the 24-105 isn't sharp enough
but can't
afford the new 24-70 f/2.8?

With the low noise performance of most DSLR's it's not that big of a
deal - bump up the ISO one more stop. Indeed, even cropping to get the
equivalent of the last 35mm of zoom will work in many cases.



I too don't think it's that big a deal. But progress, or the perceived
necessity for progress, is a business and a users driver.

New Canon 24-70 f/4
 

"Robert Coe" wrote in message
...
So what's the point of the just-announced Canon 24-70mm f/4L IS lens?
It's a
stop too slow to be a good indoor lens, and as an outdoor lens it
doesn't have
nearly the range of the 24-105 f/4 that most people like. Is it aimed
mainly
at compulsive pixel peepers who think the 24-105 isn't sharp enough
but can't
afford the new 24-70 f/2.8? Is that a big enough market to be worth
the
trouble?



I'd have to know the price and the weight to make a guess.

--
Frank ess

New Canon 24-70 f/4
 

On 11/11/2012 8:23 a.m., Frank S wrote:

"Robert Coe" wrote in message
...
So what's the point of the just-announced Canon 24-70mm f/4L IS lens?
It's a
stop too slow to be a good indoor lens, and as an outdoor lens it
doesn't have
nearly the range of the 24-105 f/4 that most people like. Is it aimed
mainly
at compulsive pixel peepers who think the 24-105 isn't sharp enough
but can't
afford the new 24-70 f/2.8? Is that a big enough market to be worth the
trouble?



I'd have to know the price and the weight to make a guess.

$1400 and 600g (24-70 f4 L)
$2300 and 805g (24-70 f2.8 L II)
Street price got down to $1500 and 905g (24-70 f2.8 L)
According to Ken Rockwell, list price for the 24-70L was JPY 220,000
when it was released = US$2770 at present exchange rate.

New Canon 24-70 f/4
 

On Nov 10, 12:57*am, Robert Coe wrote:
So what's the point of the just-announced Canon 24-70mm f/4L IS lens? It's a
stop too slow to be a good indoor lens, and as an outdoor lens it doesn't have
nearly the range of the 24-105 f/4 that most people like. Is it aimed mainly
at compulsive pixel peepers who think the 24-105 isn't sharp enough but can't
afford the new 24-70 f/2.8? Is that a big enough market to be worth the
trouble?

Bob

It is clear that it needs to be superior to the 24-105, or what's the
point? The 24-105 is a good lens, but it is far from perfect.

I think the 24-70 f/4 will be a great kit lens for the 6D. I imagine
in the kit, the price will end up being effectively a few hundred less
than the $1500 they are quoting now for stand-alone price.

New Canon 24-70 f/4
 

On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 08:07:39 -0500, Alan Browne
wrote:
: On 2012.11.10 01:54 , Robert Coe wrote:
: So what's the point of the just-announced Canon 24-70mm f/4L IS lens?
: It's a stop too slow to be a good indoor lens, and as an outdoor lens
: it doesn't have nearly the range of the 24-105 f/4 that most people like.
: Is it aimed mainly at compulsive pixel peepers who think the 24-105 isn't
: sharp enough but can't afford the new 24-70 f/2.8?
:
: With the low noise performance of most DSLR's it's not that big of a
: deal - bump up the ISO one more stop. Indeed, even cropping to get the
: equivalent of the last 35mm of zoom will work in many cases.

That idea is a pretty hard sell. For indoor events, the combination of shutter
speed, noise level, and depth of field is always a compromise, and a smaller
maximum aperture makes autofocus less effective. The last thing you want is to
give up a full stop of lens speed.

Outdoors, of course, it's a whole different game. But if you do a lot of
indoor work, there's little incentive to buy lenses you can use only outdoors.

Bob

New Canon 24-70 f/4
 

On 2012.11.11 00:04 , Robert Coe wrote:
On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 08:07:39 -0500, Alan Browne
wrote:
: On 2012.11.10 01:54 , Robert Coe wrote:
: So what's the point of the just-announced Canon 24-70mm f/4L IS lens?
: It's a stop too slow to be a good indoor lens, and as an outdoor lens
: it doesn't have nearly the range of the 24-105 f/4 that most people like.
: Is it aimed mainly at compulsive pixel peepers who think the 24-105 isn't
: sharp enough but can't afford the new 24-70 f/2.8?
:
: With the low noise performance of most DSLR's it's not that big of a
: deal - bump up the ISO one more stop. Indeed, even cropping to get the
: equivalent of the last 35mm of zoom will work in many cases.

That idea is a pretty hard sell. For indoor events, the combination of shutter
speed, noise level, and depth of field is always a compromise, and a smaller
maximum aperture makes autofocus less effective. The last thing you want is to
give up a full stop of lens speed.

In the film era I would agree. In the digital era it's really no big
deal - shoot faster ISO - and DOF difference is not that much @ 24-70mm
from f/2.8 to f/4. Indeed for shooting sports the additional DOF would
be most welcome most of the time.

For someone with the money, sure, go fast. For someone on a tighter
budget compromise is appropriate.

So no, it's not at all hard to sell to the one with less cash.

Outdoors, of course, it's a whole different game. But if you do a lot of
indoor work, there's little incentive to buy lenses you can use only outdoors.

A 1 stop bump in ISO and, exposure wise (speed) it's the same as the
faster lens.

--
"There were, unfortunately, no great principles on which parties
were divided – politics became a mere struggle for office."
-Sir John A. Macdonald

New Canon 24-70 f/4
 

On 11/11/2012 11:38 p.m., Anthony Polson wrote:
Robert Coe wrote:
That idea is a pretty hard sell. For indoor events, the combination of shutter
speed, noise level, and depth of field is always a compromise, and a smaller
maximum aperture makes autofocus less effective. The last thing you want is to
give up a full stop of lens speed.

Outdoors, of course, it's a whole different game. But if you do a lot of
indoor work, there's little incentive to buy lenses you can use only outdoors.


The incentive is the price of the f/4 lens compared to the f/2.8.

And IS - FWIW at the 24-70mm focal length range, and it's a little bit
smaller and lighter, and it has the standard pro 77mm filter thread.

Naysayers - LOL.

New Canon 24-70 f/4
 

Robert Coe wrote in
:

So what's the point of the just-announced Canon 24-70mm f/4L IS lens?
It's a stop too slow to be a good indoor lens, and as an outdoor lens
it doesn't have nearly the range of the 24-105 f/4 that most people
like. Is it aimed mainly at compulsive pixel peepers who think the
24-105 isn't sharp enough but can't afford the new 24-70 f/2.8? Is
that a big enough market to be worth the trouble?

Bob

Going 22-70mm would have given them one more step above Nikon.