The cold, hard reality of 45mp and no in-body stabilization
 

On 01/05/2018 04:34 PM, RichA wrote:
Until Nikon and Canon match Olympus/Panasonic Dual stabilization, the chances of getting 45mp of resolution with anything but static subjects and very fast shutter speeds is about nil. Linearly, 45mp is about 50% more resolution than 20mp, which means you need to overcome that tighter demand for steadiness. Not easy.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/60601583


Back in the film days, the general rule for hand-held was that the
shutter speed should be greater than the focal length. That is: you
should be able to hand hold a 50mm lens at 1/50 second, a 200mm lens at
1/200 second, etc. If you couldn't adequately hand hold that, you should
consider going back to auto-body work.

Now I will grant that there is no way I can hand hold my 1200mm lens at
1/1000 second (or any other speed, simply because of it's weight), but
under the right circumstances, I can (and have) hand held my 500mm
without any image stabilization.

--
Ken Hart

The cold, hard reality of 45mp and no in-body stabilization
 

The net result of all of this is that if the stabilization is only good enough
for an "8MP" film equivalent pixel, then the 45MP sensor will smear
five to six pixel data points together to make a virtual 8MP data set.
But only when the shake disallows the higher 45MP grain.

-hh

The cold, hard reality of 45mp and no in-body stabilization
 

On Jan 6, 2018, hh wrote
(in ):

The net result of all of this is that if the stabilization is only good enough
for an "8MP" film equivalent pixel, then the 45MP sensor will smear
five to six pixel data points together to make a virtual 8MP data set.
But only when the shake disallows the higher 45MP grain.

-hh

I believe my photography will survive without IBIS, at 24 MP.

--

Regards,
Savageduck

The cold, hard reality of 45mp and no in-body stabilization
 

On 2018-01-07 03:00:52 +0000, -hh said:

The net result of all of this is that if the stabilization is only good enough
for an "8MP" film equivalent pixel, then the 45MP sensor will smear
five to six pixel data points together to make a virtual 8MP data set.
But only when the shake disallows the higher 45MP grain.

-hh

In reality you would need some 40MP sensor to measure up to a film like
Kodak T-Max 400 hundred but you could easily adapt the "x mm1/x s"
rule to 1/2x or whatever you think is necessary for your skills. If
you're going on a safari planing on sitting on the roof of a tourist
buss in the Serengeti at noon then you could probably make do without
IS or legs but waiting in a hide in Lappland at dusk ain't the same
thing...
--
teleportation kills

The cold, hard reality of 45mp and no in-body stabilization
 

In article .com,
Savageduck says...

I believe my photography will survive without IBIS, at 24 MP.

Yes of course, but you can't do things which others can do with
stabilisation.
--
Alfred Molon

Olympus E-series DSLRs and micro 4/3 forum at
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/
http://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site

The cold, hard reality of 45mp and no in-body stabilization
 

On Jan 7, 2018, Alfred Molon wrote
(in . com):

In iganews.com,
Savageduck says...

I believe my photography will survive without IBIS, at 24 MP.

Yes of course, but you can't do things which others can do with
stabilisation.

Perhaps. However, you are making the assumption that not having IBIS is not
having stabilization.

--

Regards,
Savageduck

The cold, hard reality of 45mp and no in-body stabilization
 

In article .com,
Savageduck says...

Perhaps. However, you are making the assumption that not having IBIS is not
having stabilization.

Well, it's the OIS you get from the Fuji lenses vs. the stabilisation
from the combination of IBIS and OIS.

The latter is far superior and allows you to do things you can't do if
you only have OIS.

For sure Fuji cameras are good or even very good. It's just that in this
specific area (stabilisation), they are falling behind the competition.

And especially if you are using a 45MP camera you appreciate any
additional stabilisation you can get.
--
Alfred Molon

Olympus E-series DSLRs and micro 4/3 forum at
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/
http://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site

The cold, hard reality of 45mp and no in-body stabilization
 

On Jan 7, 2018, Alfred Molon wrote
(in . com):

In iganews.com,
Savageduck says...

Perhaps. However, you are making the assumption that not having IBIS is not
having stabilization.

Well, it's the OIS you get from the Fuji lenses vs. the stabilisation
from the combination of IBIS and OIS.

The latter is far superior and allows you to do things you can't do if
you only have OIS.

Perhaps. However, never make assumptions when it comes to the skills an old
fart photographer might have developed over some 55 years of shooting.

For sure Fuji cameras are good or even very good.

So you have noticed. They also have some pretty good lenses.

It's just that in this
specific area (stabilisation), they are falling behind the competition.

Not necessarily. You need to keep up with developments in the Fujifilm World.

And especially if you are using a 45MP camera you appreciate any
additional stabilisation you can get.

I am not using a 45MP camera. Are you?

--

Regards,
Savageduck

The cold, hard reality of 45mp and no in-body stabilization
 

On 01/07/2018 08:58 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On Jan 7, 2018, Alfred Molon wrote
(in . com):

In iganews.com,
Savageduck says...

Perhaps. However, you are making the assumption that not having IBIS is not
having stabilization.

Well, it's the OIS you get from the Fuji lenses vs. the stabilisation
from the combination of IBIS and OIS.

The latter is far superior and allows you to do things you can't do if
you only have OIS.

Perhaps. However, never make assumptions when it comes to the skills an old
fart photographer might have developed over some 55 years of shooting.
And particularly in your case, where "shooting" did not always involve a
camera!
The techniques for shooting a camera are quite similar.

Ken Hart

The cold, hard reality of 45mp and no in-body stabilization
 

On Jan 7, 2018, Ken Hart wrote
(in article ):

On 01/07/2018 08:58 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On Jan 7, 2018, Alfred Molon wrote
(in . com):

In iganews.com,
Savageduck says...

Perhaps. However, you are making the assumption that not having IBIS is
not
having stabilization.

Well, it's the OIS you get from the Fuji lenses vs. the stabilisation
from the combination of IBIS and OIS.

The latter is far superior and allows you to do things you can't do if
you only have OIS.

Perhaps. However, never make assumptions when it comes to the skills an old
fart photographer might have developed over some 55 years of shooting.
And particularly in your case, where "shooting" did not always involve a
camera!
The techniques for shooting a camera are quite similar.

They are quite similar indeed. One might say the art of the Zen Archer,
applies to the photographer, and the target shooter.

For me photography came first starting with my father’s C3 some 63 years
ago, and my Brownie. A few years on my father and I got involved in target
shooting, and both photography, and shooting have been part of my life ever
since.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/21w9l2lb766x55g/Target-Aw.jpg

--

Regards,
Savageduck