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Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
Currently I have a Canon 7D2. Lenses include the 100L and 100-400 II.
I shoot mostly birds (with the 100-400 II) and closeups of bugs (right, with the 100L, but I also have the MPE65). Those are all FF lenses. I'm throwing away more than 60% of the image. On the other hand, I like the pixel density of the 7D2, and its burst speed. So, should I buy a 6D or 5D3 or 5D4? Or just stick to the 7D2? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
In article , Wally
wrote: Currently I have a Canon 7D2. Lenses include the 100L and 100-400 II. I shoot mostly birds (with the 100-400 II) and closeups of bugs (right, with the 100L, but I also have the MPE65). Those are all FF lenses. I'm throwing away more than 60% of the image. you're not throwing away anything. On the other hand, I like the pixel density of the 7D2, and its burst speed. then keep the camera. So, should I buy a 6D or 5D3 or 5D4? Or just stick to the 7D2? do you find the 7d2 limiting in any way? if not, then a new camera isn't going to make much of a difference. it could be worse, given that you like the pixel density and burst speed of what you have now. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus not only is a usenet post not email, but your sig delimiter is invalid. a sig delimiter should be two dashes and a space, not 3 dashes. you should also remove avast entirely because it *causes* problems: https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerabi...567/Avast.html http://www.pcworld.com/article/30303...r-finds-seriou s-flaw-in-chromium-based-avast-safezone-browser.html |
Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
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Wally wrote: Currently I have a Canon 7D2. Lenses include the 100L and 100-400 II. I shoot mostly birds (with the 100-400 II) and closeups of bugs (right, with the 100L, but I also have the MPE65). Those are all FF lenses. I'm throwing away more than 60% of the image. On the other hand, I like the pixel density of the 7D2, and its burst speed. So, should I buy a 6D or 5D3 or 5D4? Or just stick to the 7D2? Are you unhappy with your pictures? Most bird photogs are into heavy cropping regardless of APS-C vs FF... -- teleportation kills http://www.giroditalia.it/it/live/ |
Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
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Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
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... Currently I have a Canon 7D2. Lenses include the 100L and 100-400 II. I shoot mostly birds (with the 100-400 II) and closeups of bugs (right, with the 100L, but I also have the MPE65). Those are all FF lenses. I'm throwing away more than 60% of the image. On the other hand, I like the pixel density of the 7D2, and its burst speed. So, should I buy a 6D or 5D3 or 5D4? Or just stick to the 7D2? Hello Wally. My preference is to be happy with my present camera unless /until it can't do what I want. For example, I've changed from a camera with average and selective metering to one that also had spot metering. The fastest speed isn't used a lot but does mean that I get the photo I want, rather than almost getting it. Regards, Roger. |
Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
Wally:
Currently I have a Canon 7D2. Lenses include the 100L and 100-400 II. I shoot mostly birds (with the 100-400 II) and closeups of bugs (right, with the 100L, but I also have the MPE65). Those are all FF lenses. I'm throwing away more than 60% of the image. On the other hand, I like the pixel density of the 7D2, and its burst speed. So, should I buy a 6D or 5D3 or 5D4? Or just stick to the 7D2? Firstly, how can anyone say what is right for you? That aside, if you want a full-frame camera you obviously cannot stick with your 7D. If you have EF-S lenses and want to save money you stick with the 7D; those lenses will not fit the 5D/6D. The 7D is a good camera, used by plenty of pros. If you're getting good results with it (and you definitely should be) and you don't care about the smaller sensor, stick with it. I have a 6D and 5D Mark III and a 5D Mark IV. Sometimes I want a lighter camera and I use the 6D. Often I use a tripod and I am more likely to grab the 5D. It's quite hefty with the battery grip installed. And recently I bought an M5 with the 18-150 and the 28mm macro. It's an incredible camera at its size point. https://www.flickr.com/photos/primeval/33826784322/ -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm |
Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
On Mon, 08 May 2017 21:55:26 -0400, Davoud wrote:
Wally: Currently I have a Canon 7D2. Lenses include the 100L and 100-400 II. I shoot mostly birds (with the 100-400 II) and closeups of bugs (right, with the 100L, but I also have the MPE65). Those are all FF lenses. I'm throwing away more than 60% of the image. On the other hand, I like the pixel density of the 7D2, and its burst speed. So, should I buy a 6D or 5D3 or 5D4? Or just stick to the 7D2? Firstly, how can anyone say what is right for you? That aside, if you want a full-frame camera you obviously cannot stick with your 7D. If you have EF-S lenses and want to save money you stick with the 7D; those lenses will not fit the 5D/6D. The 7D is a good camera, used by plenty of pros. If you're getting good results with it (and you definitely should be) and you don't care about the smaller sensor, stick with it. I have a 6D and 5D Mark III and a 5D Mark IV. Sometimes I want a lighter camera and I use the 6D. Often I use a tripod and I am more likely to grab the 5D. It's quite hefty with the battery grip installed. And recently I bought an M5 with the 18-150 and the 28mm macro. It's an incredible camera at its size point. https://www.flickr.com/photos/primeval/33826784322/ Thanks to all who responded. I agree with everything you guys said. I'm quite happy with the 7D2. But I have some spare cash in the bank and was thinking how I might spend it. From what I can see, FF is not going to give me much benefit. But hey, maybe I was overlooking something. So I thought I would see if I could raise some ideas. But your responses confirm that I should keep the money and stick with what I have. It might not have been so. A few years ago I was shooting macro with a Canon 70-300mm zoom and a 500D closeup lens. I was getting darn good results with it too. But I had some cash and decided to get the 100mm L. And it was significantly better than the old rig. So sometimes one can overlook something and miss out. And that's why I thought I would ask my question about possibly moving up to FF. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
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Wally wrote: On Mon, 08 May 2017 21:55:26 -0400, Davoud wrote: Wally: Currently I have a Canon 7D2. Lenses include the 100L and 100-400 II. I shoot mostly birds (with the 100-400 II) and closeups of bugs (right, with the 100L, but I also have the MPE65). Those are all FF lenses. I'm throwing away more than 60% of the image. On the other hand, I like the pixel density of the 7D2, and its burst speed. So, should I buy a 6D or 5D3 or 5D4? Or just stick to the 7D2? Firstly, how can anyone say what is right for you? That aside, if you want a full-frame camera you obviously cannot stick with your 7D. If you have EF-S lenses and want to save money you stick with the 7D; those lenses will not fit the 5D/6D. The 7D is a good camera, used by plenty of pros. If you're getting good results with it (and you definitely should be) and you don't care about the smaller sensor, stick with it. I have a 6D and 5D Mark III and a 5D Mark IV. Sometimes I want a lighter camera and I use the 6D. Often I use a tripod and I am more likely to grab the 5D. It's quite hefty with the battery grip installed. And recently I bought an M5 with the 18-150 and the 28mm macro. It's an incredible camera at its size point. https://www.flickr.com/photos/primeval/33826784322/ Thanks to all who responded. I agree with everything you guys said. I'm quite happy with the 7D2. But I have some spare cash in the bank and was thinking how I might spend it. From what I can see, FF is not going to give me much benefit. But hey, maybe I was overlooking something. So I thought I would see if I could raise some ideas. But your responses confirm that I should keep the money and stick with what I have. It might not have been so. A few years ago I was shooting macro with a Canon 70-300mm zoom and a 500D closeup lens. I was getting darn good results with it too. But I had some cash and decided to get the 100mm L. And it was significantly better than the old rig. So sometimes one can overlook something and miss out. And that's why I thought I would ask my question about possibly moving up to FF. http://www.cameraegg.org/rumors-eos-...t-in-july-rele ased-in-august/ -- teleportation kills http://www.giroditalia.it/it/live/ |
Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
In article , Wally
wrote: Thanks to all who responded. I agree with everything you guys said. I'm quite happy with the 7D2. But I have some spare cash in the bank and was thinking how I might spend it. From what I can see, FF is not going to give me much benefit. But hey, maybe I was overlooking something. So I thought I would see if I could raise some ideas. spend it on a trip to take more photos. But your responses confirm that I should keep the money and stick with what I have. yep. It might not have been so. A few years ago I was shooting macro with a Canon 70-300mm zoom and a 500D closeup lens. I was getting darn good results with it too. But I had some cash and decided to get the 100mm L. And it was significantly better than the old rig. So sometimes one can overlook something and miss out. there's a big difference between a true macro lens and using a closeup lens on a zoom lens, a non-ideal combination. And that's why I thought I would ask my question about possibly moving up to FF. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus you still haven't fixed your sig delimiter. two dashes and a space, then return. |
Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
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nospam wrote: In article , Wally wrote: [---] --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus you still haven't fixed your sig delimiter. two dashes and a space, then return. That's probably an Avast provided sig... -- teleportation kills http://www.giroditalia.it/it/live/ |
Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
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Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
In article , Davoud
wrote: Wally: Currently I have a Canon 7D2. Lenses include the 100L and 100-400 II. I shoot mostly birds (with the 100-400 II) and closeups of bugs (right, with the 100L, but I also have the MPE65). Those are all FF lenses. I'm throwing away more than 60% of the image. On the other hand, I like the pixel density of the 7D2, and its burst speed. So, should I buy a 6D or 5D3 or 5D4? Or just stick to the 7D2? Firstly, how can anyone say what is right for you? That aside, if you want a full-frame camera you obviously cannot stick with your 7D. If you have EF-S lenses and want to save money you stick with the 7D; those lenses will not fit the 5D/6D. The 7D is a good camera, used by plenty of pros. If you're getting good results with it (and you definitely should be) and you don't care about the smaller sensor, stick with it. I have a 6D and 5D Mark III and a 5D Mark IV. Sometimes I want a lighter camera and I use the 6D. Often I use a tripod and I am more likely to grab the 5D. It's quite hefty with the battery grip installed. And recently I bought an M5 with the 18-150 and the 28mm macro. It's an incredible camera at its size point. https://www.flickr.com/photos/primeval/33826784322/ Here's my M closeup (Nizo lense) kit and a sample... ;-) http://tinyurl.com/androidphotography -- teleportation kills http://www.giroditalia.it/it/live/ |
Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
On 5/9/2017 1:31 AM, Wally wrote:
On Mon, 08 May 2017 21:55:26 -0400, Davoud wrote: Wally: Currently I have a Canon 7D2. Lenses include the 100L and 100-400 II. I shoot mostly birds (with the 100-400 II) and closeups of bugs (right, with the 100L, but I also have the MPE65). Those are all FF lenses. I'm throwing away more than 60% of the image. On the other hand, I like the pixel density of the 7D2, and its burst speed. So, should I buy a 6D or 5D3 or 5D4? Or just stick to the 7D2? Firstly, how can anyone say what is right for you? That aside, if you want a full-frame camera you obviously cannot stick with your 7D. If you have EF-S lenses and want to save money you stick with the 7D; those lenses will not fit the 5D/6D. The 7D is a good camera, used by plenty of pros. If you're getting good results with it (and you definitely should be) and you don't care about the smaller sensor, stick with it. I have a 6D and 5D Mark III and a 5D Mark IV. Sometimes I want a lighter camera and I use the 6D. Often I use a tripod and I am more likely to grab the 5D. It's quite hefty with the battery grip installed. And recently I bought an M5 with the 18-150 and the 28mm macro. It's an incredible camera at its size point. https://www.flickr.com/photos/primeval/33826784322/ Thanks to all who responded. I agree with everything you guys said. I'm quite happy with the 7D2. But I have some spare cash in the bank and was thinking how I might spend it. From what I can see, FF is not going to give me much benefit. But hey, maybe I was overlooking something. So I thought I would see if I could raise some ideas. But your responses confirm that I should keep the money and stick with what I have. It might not have been so. A few years ago I was shooting macro with a Canon 70-300mm zoom and a 500D closeup lens. I was getting darn good results with it too. But I had some cash and decided to get the 100mm L. And it was significantly better than the old rig. So sometimes one can overlook something and miss out. And that's why I thought I would ask my question about possibly moving up to FF. I kept out of the thread because I had no idea what you like to shoot, and am am not familiar with Canon's line. I frequently do WA. That's why I got my FF D800. The drawback is that it's low light capability, while decent, could be better. I got a D500, which is an APS C, with a much higher shutter speed, than my FF. I use it for zoo and wildlife shooting, and my FF for landscapes. -- PeterN |
Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
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PeterN wrote: [ ... ] I got a D500, which is an APS C, with a much higher shutter speed, than my FF. [ ... ] 1/8000 sec is much, much faster than 1/8000 sec. |
Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
In article ,
nap wrote: In article , PeterN wrote: [ ... ] I got a D500, which is an APS C, with a much higher shutter speed, than my FF. [ ... ] 1/8000 sec is much, much faster than 1/8000 sec. I think that PeterN had the frame rate in mind, FPS... -- teleportation kills |
Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
On 2017-05-09 17:14:55 +0000, nap said:
In article , PeterN wrote: [ ... ] I got a D500, which is an APS C, with a much higher shutter speed, than my FF. [ ... ] 1/8000 sec is much, much faster than 1/8000 sec. Well, if I got up the nerve, with the electronic shutter on my X-T2 I could push shutter speed to 1/32000 sec. I just haven't put myself in a situation where I would need to. -- Regards, Savageduck |
Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
On 2017-05-09 17:34:25 +0000, android said:
In article , nap wrote: In article , PeterN wrote: [ ... ] I got a D500, which is an APS C, with a much higher shutter speed, than my FF. [ ... ] 1/8000 sec is much, much faster than 1/8000 sec. I think that PeterN had the frame rate in mind, FPS... I can live with as low as 5fps Cl, and I am happy to have 11fps for Ch. -- Regards, Savageduck |
Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
On 5/9/2017 1:14 PM, nap wrote:
In article , PeterN wrote: [ ... ] I got a D500, which is an APS C, with a much higher shutter speed, than my FF. [ ... ] 1/8000 sec is much, much faster than 1/8000 sec. OK You got me. I meant frame rate. -- PeterN |
Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
On 5/9/2017 1:54 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2017-05-09 17:34:25 +0000, android said: In article , nap wrote: In article , PeterN wrote: [ ... ] I got a D500, which is an APS C, with a much higher shutter speed, than my FF. [ ... ] 1/8000 sec is much, much faster than 1/8000 sec. I think that PeterN had the frame rate in mind, FPS... I can live with as low as 5fps Cl, and I am happy to have 11fps for Ch. The 800 doesn't go to 10 fps. -- PeterN |
Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
On 2017-05-09 19:02:03 +0000, PeterN said:
On 5/9/2017 1:54 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-05-09 17:34:25 +0000, android said: In article , nap wrote: In article , PeterN wrote: [ ... ] I got a D500, which is an APS C, with a much higher shutter speed, than my FF. [ ... ] 1/8000 sec is much, much faster than 1/8000 sec. I think that PeterN had the frame rate in mind, FPS... I can live with as low as 5fps Cl, and I am happy to have 11fps for Ch. The 800 doesn't go to 10 fps. If you want to get that sort of rate out of a Nikon FF you will have to buy a D4S or D5. There are a whole bunch of factors controlling frame rate. With the D800/D810 Nikons the inhibiting factor is the massive file size. There is a reason the FF Nikons best suited for high frame rate sport shooting are the D4S 16MP(10fps) and D5 20MP (11fps). The D800/D810 while having great resolution is limited to 4fps before the buffer just chokes on those fat NEF files. The question I have is, just how important is a very high frame rate for you? I found that where the target is passing through a practical capture, or composition window, at an airshow, or motorsport event for example a 5 to 11 frame burst is the most that is actually practical. I typically end up with a usable burst of 5 to 8 frames, and can find a single frame, or perhaps two to work on. https://www.dropbox.com/s/apoel49w3s05ota/screenshot_48.jpg When I have shot an event such as the triathlon cyclists making a slow climb towards me up an extremely steep hill, Cl at 4-5fps is just fine, 8-11fps is too much, and just over-kill. https://www.dropbox.com/s/93je2mw5g665zbk/screenshot_47.jpg -- Regards, Savageduck |
Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
On Tue, 09 May 2017 01:42:00 -0400, nospam
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Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
On Tue, 9 May 2017 11:30:44 -0400, PeterN
wrote: On 5/9/2017 1:31 AM, Wally wrote: On Mon, 08 May 2017 21:55:26 -0400, Davoud wrote: Wally: Currently I have a Canon 7D2. Lenses include the 100L and 100-400 II. I shoot mostly birds (with the 100-400 II) and closeups of bugs (right, with the 100L, but I also have the MPE65). Those are all FF lenses. I'm throwing away more than 60% of the image. On the other hand, I like the pixel density of the 7D2, and its burst speed. So, should I buy a 6D or 5D3 or 5D4? Or just stick to the 7D2? Firstly, how can anyone say what is right for you? That aside, if you want a full-frame camera you obviously cannot stick with your 7D. If you have EF-S lenses and want to save money you stick with the 7D; those lenses will not fit the 5D/6D. The 7D is a good camera, used by plenty of pros. If you're getting good results with it (and you definitely should be) and you don't care about the smaller sensor, stick with it. I have a 6D and 5D Mark III and a 5D Mark IV. Sometimes I want a lighter camera and I use the 6D. Often I use a tripod and I am more likely to grab the 5D. It's quite hefty with the battery grip installed. And recently I bought an M5 with the 18-150 and the 28mm macro. It's an incredible camera at its size point. https://www.flickr.com/photos/primeval/33826784322/ Thanks to all who responded. I agree with everything you guys said. I'm quite happy with the 7D2. But I have some spare cash in the bank and was thinking how I might spend it. From what I can see, FF is not going to give me much benefit. But hey, maybe I was overlooking something. So I thought I would see if I could raise some ideas. But your responses confirm that I should keep the money and stick with what I have. It might not have been so. A few years ago I was shooting macro with a Canon 70-300mm zoom and a 500D closeup lens. I was getting darn good results with it too. But I had some cash and decided to get the 100mm L. And it was significantly better than the old rig. So sometimes one can overlook something and miss out. And that's why I thought I would ask my question about possibly moving up to FF. I kept out of the thread because I had no idea what you like to shoot, I should have mentioned - birds and bugs. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
In article , Wally
wrote: you still haven't fixed your sig delimiter. two dashes and a space, then return. Not an issue for me! :) :) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus it's still broken. |
Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
On 2017-05-09 20:08:24 +0000, Wally said:
On Tue, 09 May 2017 01:42:00 -0400, nospam wrote: you still haven't fixed your sig delimiter. two dashes and a space, then return. Not an issue for me! :) :) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ....but the rest of the World doesn't need to get Avast SPAM. Just do all of us a favor and make a simple change in the Avast preferences. http://lifehacker.com/stop-avast-from-adding-its-signature-into-your-outgoing-1748130504 -- Regards, Savageduck |
Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
In article 201705091320591370-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck
wrote: you still haven't fixed your sig delimiter. two dashes and a space, then return. Not an issue for me! :) :) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ...but the rest of the World doesn't need to get Avast SPAM. Just do all of us a favor and make a simple change in the Avast preferences. http://lifehacker.com/stop-avast-from-adding-its-signature-into-your-outgoing-1748130504 except a usenet post is not an email. avast can't even get the basics correct, so how the hell is it going to figure out what is malware and what is not? |
Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
On 2017-05-09 20:24:35 +0000, nospam said:
In article 201705091320591370-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote: you still haven't fixed your sig delimiter. two dashes and a space, then return. Not an issue for me! :) :) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ...but the rest of the World doesn't need to get Avast SPAM. Just do all of us a favor and make a simple change in the Avast preferences. http://lifehacker.com/stop-avast-from-adding-its-signature-into-your-outgoing-1748130504 except a usenet post is not an email. avast can't even get the basics correct, so how the hell is it going to figure out what is malware and what is not? Avast inserts its nonconforming sig into all outgoing posts, or emails regardless of whether an email client, or a Usenet client is being used. -- Regards, Savageduck |
Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
On Tue, 9 May 2017 13:20:59 -0700, Savageduck
wrote: On 2017-05-09 20:08:24 +0000, Wally said: On Tue, 09 May 2017 01:42:00 -0400, nospam wrote: you still haven't fixed your sig delimiter. two dashes and a space, then return. Not an issue for me! :) :) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ...but the rest of the World doesn't need to get Avast SPAM. Just do all of us a favor and make a simple change in the Avast preferences. http://lifehacker.com/stop-avast-from-adding-its-signature-into-your-outgoing-1748130504 Testing... What do I get in return? |
Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
In article 2017050913292374410-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote: you still haven't fixed your sig delimiter. two dashes and a space, then return. Not an issue for me! :) :) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ...but the rest of the World doesn't need to get Avast SPAM. Just do all of us a favor and make a simple change in the Avast preferences. http://lifehacker.com/stop-avast-fro...nto-your-outgo ing-1748130504 except a usenet post is not an email. avast can't even get the basics correct, so how the hell is it going to figure out what is malware and what is not? Avast inserts its nonconforming sig into all outgoing posts, or emails regardless of whether an email client, or a Usenet client is being used. in other words, it's garbage. it also causes more problems than what it tries to solve: https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-6567/Avast.html |
Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
In article , Wally
wrote: you still haven't fixed your sig delimiter. two dashes and a space, then return. Not an issue for me! :) :) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ...but the rest of the World doesn't need to get Avast SPAM. Just do all of us a favor and make a simple change in the Avast preferences. http://lifehacker.com/stop-avast-fro...to-your-outgoi ng-1748130504 Testing... What do I get in return? compliant posts. |
Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
On 2017-05-09 20:35:21 +0000, Wally said:
On Tue, 9 May 2017 13:20:59 -0700, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-05-09 20:08:24 +0000, Wally said: On Tue, 09 May 2017 01:42:00 -0400, nospam wrote: you still haven't fixed your sig delimiter. two dashes and a space, then return. Not an issue for me! :) :) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ...but the rest of the World doesn't need to get Avast SPAM. Just do all of us a favor and make a simple change in the Avast preferences. http://lifehacker.com/stop-avast-from-adding-its-signature-into-your-outgoing-1748130504 Testing... What do I get in return? The thanks of all who recieve emails and posts from you. You are not the only person who has fallen for this ploy by Avast. Anyway, thank you. -- Regards, Savageduck |
Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
On 5/9/2017 3:57 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2017-05-09 19:02:03 +0000, PeterN said: On 5/9/2017 1:54 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-05-09 17:34:25 +0000, android said: In article , nap wrote: In article , PeterN wrote: [ ... ] I got a D500, which is an APS C, with a much higher shutter speed, than my FF. [ ... ] 1/8000 sec is much, much faster than 1/8000 sec. I think that PeterN had the frame rate in mind, FPS... I can live with as low as 5fps Cl, and I am happy to have 11fps for Ch. The 800 doesn't go to 10 fps. If you want to get that sort of rate out of a Nikon FF you will have to buy a D4S or D5. There are a whole bunch of factors controlling frame rate. With the D800/D810 Nikons the inhibiting factor is the massive file size. Couple that with a much slower rate when using the SD card over the CF card. According to a Lexar tech rep I met, the SD interface in the D800 is slower than the CF interface. There is a reason the FF Nikons best suited for high frame rate sport shooting are the D4S 16MP(10fps) and D5 20MP (11fps). The D800/D810 while having great resolution is limited to 4fps before the buffer just chokes on those fat NEF files. The question I have is, just how important is a very high frame rate for you? If you are satisfied, great. I would think that the higher frame rate gives me a chance of getting the wings of a bird in just the right position. I am NOT saying that a lower FR is not good for animals & birds. I found that where the target is passing through a practical capture, or composition window, at an airshow, or motorsport event for example a 5 to 11 frame burst is the most that is actually practical. I typically end up with a usable burst of 5 to 8 frames, and can find a single frame, or perhaps two to work on. https://www.dropbox.com/s/apoel49w3s05ota/screenshot_48.jpg When I have shot an event such as the triathlon cyclists making a slow climb towards me up an extremely steep hill, Cl at 4-5fps is just fine, 8-11fps is too much, and just over-kill. https://www.dropbox.com/s/93je2mw5g665zbk/screenshot_47.jpg There is a difference between shooting live critters and cars. -- PeterN |
Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
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Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
On 5/9/2017 4:14 PM, Wally wrote:
On Tue, 9 May 2017 11:30:44 -0400, PeterN wrote: On 5/9/2017 1:31 AM, Wally wrote: On Mon, 08 May 2017 21:55:26 -0400, Davoud wrote: Wally: Currently I have a Canon 7D2. Lenses include the 100L and 100-400 II. I shoot mostly birds (with the 100-400 II) and closeups of bugs (right, with the 100L, but I also have the MPE65). Those are all FF lenses. I'm throwing away more than 60% of the image. On the other hand, I like the pixel density of the 7D2, and its burst speed. So, should I buy a 6D or 5D3 or 5D4? Or just stick to the 7D2? Firstly, how can anyone say what is right for you? That aside, if you want a full-frame camera you obviously cannot stick with your 7D. If you have EF-S lenses and want to save money you stick with the 7D; those lenses will not fit the 5D/6D. The 7D is a good camera, used by plenty of pros. If you're getting good results with it (and you definitely should be) and you don't care about the smaller sensor, stick with it. I have a 6D and 5D Mark III and a 5D Mark IV. Sometimes I want a lighter camera and I use the 6D. Often I use a tripod and I am more likely to grab the 5D. It's quite hefty with the battery grip installed. And recently I bought an M5 with the 18-150 and the 28mm macro. It's an incredible camera at its size point. https://www.flickr.com/photos/primeval/33826784322/ Thanks to all who responded. I agree with everything you guys said. I'm quite happy with the 7D2. But I have some spare cash in the bank and was thinking how I might spend it. From what I can see, FF is not going to give me much benefit. But hey, maybe I was overlooking something. So I thought I would see if I could raise some ideas. But your responses confirm that I should keep the money and stick with what I have. It might not have been so. A few years ago I was shooting macro with a Canon 70-300mm zoom and a 500D closeup lens. I was getting darn good results with it too. But I had some cash and decided to get the 100mm L. And it was significantly better than the old rig. So sometimes one can overlook something and miss out. And that's why I thought I would ask my question about possibly moving up to FF. I kept out of the thread because I had no idea what you like to shoot, I should have mentioned - birds and bugs. You are making a good decision, to keep using your APS-C. BTW I didn't realize that your shoo flies with a cannon. :-p --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PeterN |
Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
On 2017-05-09 22:01:39 +0000, PeterN said:
On 5/9/2017 3:57 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-05-09 19:02:03 +0000, PeterN said: On 5/9/2017 1:54 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-05-09 17:34:25 +0000, android said: In article , nap wrote: In article , PeterN wrote: [ ... ] I got a D500, which is an APS C, with a much higher shutter speed, than my FF. [ ... ] 1/8000 sec is much, much faster than 1/8000 sec. I think that PeterN had the frame rate in mind, FPS... I can live with as low as 5fps Cl, and I am happy to have 11fps for Ch. The 800 doesn't go to 10 fps. If you want to get that sort of rate out of a Nikon FF you will have to buy a D4S or D5. There are a whole bunch of factors controlling frame rate. With the D800/D810 Nikons the inhibiting factor is the massive file size. Couple that with a much slower rate when using the SD card over the CF card. According to a Lexar tech rep I met, the SD interface in the D800 is slower than the CF interface. Which it shouldn't be, but if you are shooting Ch, one would think that that if one slot was performance downgraded, you would select the medium which performed best. Even then the difference between the two isn't going to be the biggest factor in slowing down the Ch rate, it is still going to be the file size and the ability for the buffer to clear. The 4fps rate found in the specs is the performance ceiling, not a big issue in a studio, or for landscapes. There is a reason the FF Nikons best suited for high frame rate sport shooting are the D4S 16MP(10fps) and D5 20MP (11fps). The D800/D810 while having great resolution is limited to 4fps before the buffer just chokes on those fat NEF files. The question I have is, just how important is a very high frame rate for you? If you are satisfied, great. I would think that the higher frame rate gives me a chance of getting the wings of a bird in just the right position. Probably. It is just one method for capturing that magnificent miracle shot, but still no guarantee. There are additional factors involved, incuding, but not limited to stuff such as AF-C tracking. I am NOT saying that a lower FR is not good for animals & birds. I found that where the target is passing through a practical capture, or composition window, at an airshow, or motorsport event for example a 5 to 11 frame burst is the most that is actually practical. I typically end up with a usable burst of 5 to 8 frames, and can find a single frame, or perhaps two to work on. https://www.dropbox.com/s/apoel49w3s05ota/screenshot_48.jpg When I have shot an event such as the triathlon cyclists making a slow climb towards me up an extremely steep hill, Cl at 4-5fps is just fine, 8-11fps is too much, and just over-kill. https://www.dropbox.com/s/93je2mw5g665zbk/screenshot_47.jpg There is a difference between shooting live critters and cars. Are not pilots, drivers, and cyclists live critters? -- Regards, Savageduck |
Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
On 5/9/2017 6:25 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2017-05-09 22:01:39 +0000, PeterN said: On 5/9/2017 3:57 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-05-09 19:02:03 +0000, PeterN said: On 5/9/2017 1:54 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-05-09 17:34:25 +0000, android said: In article , nap wrote: In article , PeterN wrote: [ ... ] I got a D500, which is an APS C, with a much higher shutter speed, than my FF. [ ... ] 1/8000 sec is much, much faster than 1/8000 sec. I think that PeterN had the frame rate in mind, FPS... I can live with as low as 5fps Cl, and I am happy to have 11fps for Ch. The 800 doesn't go to 10 fps. If you want to get that sort of rate out of a Nikon FF you will have to buy a D4S or D5. There are a whole bunch of factors controlling frame rate. With the D800/D810 Nikons the inhibiting factor is the massive file size. Couple that with a much slower rate when using the SD card over the CF card. According to a Lexar tech rep I met, the SD interface in the D800 is slower than the CF interface. Which it shouldn't be, but if you are shooting Ch, one would think that that if one slot was performance downgraded, you would select the medium which performed best. Even then the difference between the two isn't going to be the biggest factor in slowing down the Ch rate, it is still going to be the file size and the ability for the buffer to clear. The 4fps rate found in the specs is the performance ceiling, not a big issue in a studio, or for landscapes. There is a reason the FF Nikons best suited for high frame rate sport shooting are the D4S 16MP(10fps) and D5 20MP (11fps). The D800/D810 while having great resolution is limited to 4fps before the buffer just chokes on those fat NEF files. The question I have is, just how important is a very high frame rate for you? If you are satisfied, great. I would think that the higher frame rate gives me a chance of getting the wings of a bird in just the right position. Probably. It is just one method for capturing that magnificent miracle shot, but still no guarantee. There are additional factors involved, incuding, but not limited to stuff such as AF-C tracking. I am NOT saying that a lower FR is not good for animals & birds. I found that where the target is passing through a practical capture, or composition window, at an airshow, or motorsport event for example a 5 to 11 frame burst is the most that is actually practical. I typically end up with a usable burst of 5 to 8 frames, and can find a single frame, or perhaps two to work on. https://www.dropbox.com/s/apoel49w3s05ota/screenshot_48.jpg When I have shot an event such as the triathlon cyclists making a slow climb towards me up an extremely steep hill, Cl at 4-5fps is just fine, 8-11fps is too much, and just over-kill. https://www.dropbox.com/s/93je2mw5g665zbk/screenshot_47.jpg There is a difference between shooting live critters and cars. Are not pilots, drivers, and cyclists live critters? Most of the time their vehicles are the subject. The expressions on the planes and cares do not change. -- PeterN |
Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
On 2017-05-10 00:58:11 +0000, PeterN said:
On 5/9/2017 6:25 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-05-09 22:01:39 +0000, PeterN said: On 5/9/2017 3:57 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-05-09 19:02:03 +0000, PeterN said: On 5/9/2017 1:54 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-05-09 17:34:25 +0000, android said: In article , nap wrote: In article , PeterN wrote: [ ... ] I got a D500, which is an APS C, with a much higher shutter speed, than my FF. [ ... ] 1/8000 sec is much, much faster than 1/8000 sec. I think that PeterN had the frame rate in mind, FPS... I can live with as low as 5fps Cl, and I am happy to have 11fps for Ch. The 800 doesn't go to 10 fps. If you want to get that sort of rate out of a Nikon FF you will have to buy a D4S or D5. There are a whole bunch of factors controlling frame rate. With the D800/D810 Nikons the inhibiting factor is the massive file size. Couple that with a much slower rate when using the SD card over the CF card. According to a Lexar tech rep I met, the SD interface in the D800 is slower than the CF interface. Which it shouldn't be, but if you are shooting Ch, one would think that that if one slot was performance downgraded, you would select the medium which performed best. Even then the difference between the two isn't going to be the biggest factor in slowing down the Ch rate, it is still going to be the file size and the ability for the buffer to clear. The 4fps rate found in the specs is the performance ceiling, not a big issue in a studio, or for landscapes. There is a reason the FF Nikons best suited for high frame rate sport shooting are the D4S 16MP(10fps) and D5 20MP (11fps). The D800/D810 while having great resolution is limited to 4fps before the buffer just chokes on those fat NEF files. The question I have is, just how important is a very high frame rate for you? If you are satisfied, great. I would think that the higher frame rate gives me a chance of getting the wings of a bird in just the right position. Probably. It is just one method for capturing that magnificent miracle shot, but still no guarantee. There are additional factors involved, incuding, but not limited to stuff such as AF-C tracking. I am NOT saying that a lower FR is not good for animals & birds. I found that where the target is passing through a practical capture, or composition window, at an airshow, or motorsport event for example a 5 to 11 frame burst is the most that is actually practical. I typically end up with a usable burst of 5 to 8 frames, and can find a single frame, or perhaps two to work on. https://www.dropbox.com/s/apoel49w3s05ota/screenshot_48.jpg When I have shot an event such as the triathlon cyclists making a slow climb towards me up an extremely steep hill, Cl at 4-5fps is just fine, 8-11fps is too much, and just over-kill. https://www.dropbox.com/s/93je2mw5g665zbk/screenshot_47.jpg There is a difference between shooting live critters and cars. Are not pilots, drivers, and cyclists live critters? Most of the time their vehicles are the subject. The expressions on the planes and cares do not change. However, for some odd reason the expressions on cyclists seem to change quite often. https://www.dropbox.com/s/jtpwq70bxjf7dhg/DSF2420-E.jpg https://www.dropbox.com/s/cit0eig1wcbplnh/DSF2575-E.jpg https://www.dropbox.com/s/7xgpw562ct8exl4/DSF2716-E.jpg https://www.dropbox.com/s/b9iscn0ugjcwtgw/DSF2775-E.jpg -- Regards, Savageduck |
Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
In article ,
Wally wrote: On Tue, 9 May 2017 11:30:44 -0400, PeterN wrote: On 5/9/2017 1:31 AM, Wally wrote: On Mon, 08 May 2017 21:55:26 -0400, Davoud wrote: Wally: Currently I have a Canon 7D2. Lenses include the 100L and 100-400 II. I shoot mostly birds (with the 100-400 II) and closeups of bugs (right, with the 100L, but I also have the MPE65). Those are all FF lenses. I'm throwing away more than 60% of the image. On the other hand, I like the pixel density of the 7D2, and its burst speed. So, should I buy a 6D or 5D3 or 5D4? Or just stick to the 7D2? Firstly, how can anyone say what is right for you? That aside, if you want a full-frame camera you obviously cannot stick with your 7D. If you have EF-S lenses and want to save money you stick with the 7D; those lenses will not fit the 5D/6D. The 7D is a good camera, used by plenty of pros. If you're getting good results with it (and you definitely should be) and you don't care about the smaller sensor, stick with it. I have a 6D and 5D Mark III and a 5D Mark IV. Sometimes I want a lighter camera and I use the 6D. Often I use a tripod and I am more likely to grab the 5D. It's quite hefty with the battery grip installed. And recently I bought an M5 with the 18-150 and the 28mm macro. It's an incredible camera at its size point. https://www.flickr.com/photos/primeval/33826784322/ Thanks to all who responded. I agree with everything you guys said. I'm quite happy with the 7D2. But I have some spare cash in the bank and was thinking how I might spend it. From what I can see, FF is not going to give me much benefit. But hey, maybe I was overlooking something. So I thought I would see if I could raise some ideas. But your responses confirm that I should keep the money and stick with what I have. It might not have been so. A few years ago I was shooting macro with a Canon 70-300mm zoom and a 500D closeup lens. I was getting darn good results with it too. But I had some cash and decided to get the 100mm L. And it was significantly better than the old rig. So sometimes one can overlook something and miss out. And that's why I thought I would ask my question about possibly moving up to FF. I kept out of the thread because I had no idea what you like to shoot, I should have mentioned - birds and bugs. You did. -- teleportation kills |
Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
On Tue, 9 May 2017 20:12:26 -0700, Savageduck
wrote: On 2017-05-10 00:58:11 +0000, PeterN said: On 5/9/2017 6:25 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-05-09 22:01:39 +0000, PeterN said: On 5/9/2017 3:57 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-05-09 19:02:03 +0000, PeterN said: On 5/9/2017 1:54 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-05-09 17:34:25 +0000, android said: In article , nap wrote: In article , PeterN wrote: [ ... ] I got a D500, which is an APS C, with a much higher shutter speed, than my FF. [ ... ] 1/8000 sec is much, much faster than 1/8000 sec. I think that PeterN had the frame rate in mind, FPS... I can live with as low as 5fps Cl, and I am happy to have 11fps for Ch. The 800 doesn't go to 10 fps. If you want to get that sort of rate out of a Nikon FF you will have to buy a D4S or D5. There are a whole bunch of factors controlling frame rate. With the D800/D810 Nikons the inhibiting factor is the massive file size. Couple that with a much slower rate when using the SD card over the CF card. According to a Lexar tech rep I met, the SD interface in the D800 is slower than the CF interface. Which it shouldn't be, but if you are shooting Ch, one would think that that if one slot was performance downgraded, you would select the medium which performed best. Even then the difference between the two isn't going to be the biggest factor in slowing down the Ch rate, it is still going to be the file size and the ability for the buffer to clear. The 4fps rate found in the specs is the performance ceiling, not a big issue in a studio, or for landscapes. There is a reason the FF Nikons best suited for high frame rate sport shooting are the D4S 16MP(10fps) and D5 20MP (11fps). The D800/D810 while having great resolution is limited to 4fps before the buffer just chokes on those fat NEF files. The question I have is, just how important is a very high frame rate for you? If you are satisfied, great. I would think that the higher frame rate gives me a chance of getting the wings of a bird in just the right position. Probably. It is just one method for capturing that magnificent miracle shot, but still no guarantee. There are additional factors involved, incuding, but not limited to stuff such as AF-C tracking. I am NOT saying that a lower FR is not good for animals & birds. I found that where the target is passing through a practical capture, or composition window, at an airshow, or motorsport event for example a 5 to 11 frame burst is the most that is actually practical. I typically end up with a usable burst of 5 to 8 frames, and can find a single frame, or perhaps two to work on. https://www.dropbox.com/s/apoel49w3s05ota/screenshot_48.jpg When I have shot an event such as the triathlon cyclists making a slow climb towards me up an extremely steep hill, Cl at 4-5fps is just fine, 8-11fps is too much, and just over-kill. https://www.dropbox.com/s/93je2mw5g665zbk/screenshot_47.jpg There is a difference between shooting live critters and cars. Are not pilots, drivers, and cyclists live critters? Most of the time their vehicles are the subject. The expressions on the planes and cares do not change. However, for some odd reason the expressions on cyclists seem to change quite often. https://www.dropbox.com/s/jtpwq70bxjf7dhg/DSF2420-E.jpg https://www.dropbox.com/s/cit0eig1wcbplnh/DSF2575-E.jpg https://www.dropbox.com/s/7xgpw562ct8exl4/DSF2716-E.jpg https://www.dropbox.com/s/b9iscn0ugjcwtgw/DSF2775-E.jpg Different cyclists, therefore different expressions? -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
On Tue, 9 May 2017 13:40:54 -0700, Savageduck
wrote: On 2017-05-09 20:35:21 +0000, Wally said: On Tue, 9 May 2017 13:20:59 -0700, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-05-09 20:08:24 +0000, Wally said: On Tue, 09 May 2017 01:42:00 -0400, nospam wrote: you still haven't fixed your sig delimiter. two dashes and a space, then return. Not an issue for me! :) :) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ...but the rest of the World doesn't need to get Avast SPAM. Just do all of us a favor and make a simple change in the Avast preferences. http://lifehacker.com/stop-avast-from-adding-its-signature-into-your-outgoing-1748130504 Testing... What do I get in return? The thanks of all who recieve emails and posts from you. You are not the only person who has fallen for this ploy by Avast. Anyway, thank you. Just behave yourself or I go back to the Avast spam. |
Should I buy a 6D or 5D4?
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On Tue, 9 May 2017 20:12:26 -0700, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-05-10 00:58:11 +0000, PeterN said: On 5/9/2017 6:25 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-05-09 22:01:39 +0000, PeterN said: On 5/9/2017 3:57 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-05-09 19:02:03 +0000, PeterN said: On 5/9/2017 1:54 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-05-09 17:34:25 +0000, android said: In article , nap wrote: In article , PeterN wrote: [ ... ] I got a D500, which is an APS C, with a much higher shutter speed, than my FF. [ ... ] 1/8000 sec is much, much faster than 1/8000 sec. I think that PeterN had the frame rate in mind, FPS... I can live with as low as 5fps Cl, and I am happy to have 11fps for Ch. The 800 doesn't go to 10 fps. If you want to get that sort of rate out of a Nikon FF you will have to buy a D4S or D5. There are a whole bunch of factors controlling frame rate. With the D800/D810 Nikons the inhibiting factor is the massive file size. Couple that with a much slower rate when using the SD card over the CF card. According to a Lexar tech rep I met, the SD interface in the D800 is slower than the CF interface. Which it shouldn't be, but if you are shooting Ch, one would think that that if one slot was performance downgraded, you would select the medium which performed best. Even then the difference between the two isn't going to be the biggest factor in slowing down the Ch rate, it is still going to be the file size and the ability for the buffer to clear. The 4fps rate found in the specs is the performance ceiling, not a big issue in a studio, or for landscapes. There is a reason the FF Nikons best suited for high frame rate sport shooting are the D4S 16MP(10fps) and D5 20MP (11fps). The D800/D810 while having great resolution is limited to 4fps before the buffer just chokes on those fat NEF files. The question I have is, just how important is a very high frame rate for you? If you are satisfied, great. I would think that the higher frame rate gives me a chance of getting the wings of a bird in just the right position. Probably. It is just one method for capturing that magnificent miracle shot, but still no guarantee. There are additional factors involved, incuding, but not limited to stuff such as AF-C tracking. I am NOT saying that a lower FR is not good for animals & birds. I found that where the target is passing through a practical capture, or composition window, at an airshow, or motorsport event for example a 5 to 11 frame burst is the most that is actually practical. I typically end up with a usable burst of 5 to 8 frames, and can find a single frame, or perhaps two to work on. https://www.dropbox.com/s/apoel49w3s05ota/screenshot_48.jpg When I have shot an event such as the triathlon cyclists making a slow climb towards me up an extremely steep hill, Cl at 4-5fps is just fine, 8-11fps is too much, and just over-kill. https://www.dropbox.com/s/93je2mw5g665zbk/screenshot_47.jpg There is a difference between shooting live critters and cars. Are not pilots, drivers, and cyclists live critters? Most of the time their vehicles are the subject. The expressions on the planes and cares do not change. However, for some odd reason the expressions on cyclists seem to change quite often. https://www.dropbox.com/s/jtpwq70bxjf7dhg/DSF2420-E.jpg https://www.dropbox.com/s/cit0eig1wcbplnh/DSF2575-E.jpg https://www.dropbox.com/s/7xgpw562ct8exl4/DSF2716-E.jpg https://www.dropbox.com/s/b9iscn0ugjcwtgw/DSF2775-E.jpg Different cyclists, therefore different expressions? The Giro will enter the Alps good on the 24th... -- Bats can't tell us apart! ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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