Apple Macs: Can't upgrade, can barely repair them.
 

On 2021-05-28 23:46, RichA wrote:
https://www.dpreview.com/news/371828...-2-10#comments

Yep just like many all-in-one computers from various companies.

Fortunately, Apple products are generally very reliable. This iMac
(2012) is going strong - its only shortcoming is video processing.

(Though I did go in to repair the stand spring mechanism and change the
HD at some point).

Waiting to see what Apple offer in the fall. Might break from the iMac
and go with a Mac Mini and separate displays. TBD.

--
"...there are many humorous things in this world; among them the white
man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages."
-Samuel Clemens

Apple Macs: Can't upgrade, can barely repair them.
 

On 2021-05-29 22:22, RichA wrote:
On Saturday, 29 May 2021 at 10:30:26 UTC-4, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2021-05-28 23:46, RichA wrote:
https://www.dpreview.com/news/371828...-2-10#comments

Yep just like many all-in-one computers from various companies.

Fortunately, Apple products are generally very reliable. This iMac
(2012) is going strong - its only shortcoming is video processing.

(Though I did go in to repair the stand spring mechanism and change the
HD at some point).

Waiting to see what Apple offer in the fall. Might break from the iMac
and go with a Mac Mini and separate displays. TBD.


I wouldn't be a good friend to Apple. My first computer (tower) I kept going via upgrades for about six years. Then the form-factor of cases changes so I finally changed it.

My last tower before I switched to Mac went about 12 years. I
originally bought it huge (for the day) and over time it saw 3 or 4
motherboards and uncountable HD's. Indeed I ran it for a couple more
years after I bought my first iMac. It very suddenly died for unknown
reasons. Sold it to some guy so he could harvest the parts.

My iMac (2007 bought in 2008) was opened by me once to replace a failing
hard drive. Easy enough to do. (Memory upgrade was via a port in the
back).
Sold in 2013 for this iMac which I've opened up to repair the (badly
designed) spring mechanism for the stand and replace the HD.

Sold the prior iMac (5 years old) for nearly $1K. Never see that with a PC.

I doubt I'll do as well trying to sell this iMac, however. The jump
from intel to Mx will make this a dinosaur fast. I'll keep it as a
server or something. The display is very nice too - so hard to decide
what to do with it. Give it to a school maybe?

--
"...there are many humorous things in this world; among them the white
man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages."
-Samuel Clemens

Apple Macs: Can't upgrade, can barely repair them.
 

In article , Alan Browne
wrote:

I doubt I'll do as well trying to sell this iMac, however. The jump
from intel to Mx will make this a dinosaur fast.

only because intel has stagnated for the past decade.

already, the m1 macs, which are low end entry level computers, have
pushed existing intel pcs into the endangered species category.

Apple Macs: Can't upgrade, can barely repair them.
 

On May 30, 2021, nospam wrote
(in ) :

In , Alan Browne
wrote:

I doubt I'll do as well trying to sell this iMac, however. The jump
from intel to Mx will make this a dinosaur fast.

only because intel has stagnated for the past decade.

already, the m1 macs, which are low end entry level computers, have
pushed existing intel pcs into the endangered species category.

It’s also going to push some of their own products to undesirable status.
One thing that will delay Intel’s and Windows' ruin is that fact that so
many people don’t need any more performance than they have, and lots and
lots of people simply don’t want to change OS's from something they have
become very familiar with over many years. It’s been a bit time consuming
for me, and I'm at least somewhat tech savvy. I’m sure I’ll be switching
to the M1 at some point, or adding it, but I’ll probably take a pretty big
hit on the MacBook when I sell or trade it. It’s already 1k.

And my ~1 year update on the MacBook for anyone interested: it does, as they
say, “just work�. The only problems I’ve had have been the native mail
client, and that seems to have sorted itself out, and the spinning beach
ball, but I leave lots of windows open in Chrome, and it mostly happens
working with one specific app, so that could be the sole blame. It has sort
of crashed once or twice, but rebooting cleared I up. Windows remains a
continuing nightmare, especially their updates.

Apple Macs: Can't upgrade, can barely repair them.
 

Am 29.05.2021 um 16:30 schrieb Alan Browne:
Yep just like many all-in-one computers from various companies.

With the one I'm using now, I can upgrade the RAM, the SSD and the 3.5" HDD.
--
Alfred Molon

Olympus 4/3 and micro 4/3 cameras forum at
https://groups.io/g/myolympus
https://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site

Apple Macs: Can't upgrade, can barely repair them.
 

In article
, Bill W
wrote:

I doubt I'll do as well trying to sell this iMac, however. The jump
from intel to Mx will make this a dinosaur fast.

only because intel has stagnated for the past decade.

already, the m1 macs, which are low end entry level computers, have
pushed existing intel pcs into the endangered species category.

It¹s also going to push some of their own products to undesirable status.

that's an unfortunate side effect of any major transition.

One thing that will delay Intel¹s and Windows' ruin is that fact that so
many people don¹t need any more performance than they have, and lots and
lots of people simply don¹t want to change OS's from something they have
become very familiar with over many years. It¹s been a bit time consuming
for me, and I'm at least somewhat tech savvy. I¹m sure I¹ll be switching
to the M1 at some point, or adding it, but I¹ll probably take a pretty big
hit on the MacBook when I sell or trade it. It¹s already 1k.

there will still be a demand for intel macs due to people wanting to
boot into windows or use niche software that can't be ported to m* for
some reason (usually bogus ones).

And my ~1 year update on the MacBook for anyone interested: it does, as they
say, ³just work². The only problems I¹ve had have been the native mail
client,

apple mail is awful. unfortunately, the alternatives are worse.

and that seems to have sorted itself out,

that's good. for me, it's become worse.

and the spinning beach
ball, but I leave lots of windows open in Chrome,

chrome is a major battery and cpu hog.

and it mostly happens
working with one specific app, so that could be the sole blame.

could be, but with chrome running, it could be chrome.

check activity monitor (or command line equivalent) to see what's going
on.

It has sort
of crashed once or twice, but rebooting cleared I up.

the app or the entire mac?

Windows remains a
continuing nightmare, especially their updates.

yep.

it's crazy what people will tolerate without ever investigating any of
the alternatives.

Apple Macs: Can't upgrade, can barely repair them.
 

On 2021-05-30 14:50, Bill W wrote:
On May 30, 2021, nospam wrote
(in ) :

In , Alan Browne
wrote:

I doubt I'll do as well trying to sell this iMac, however. The jump
from intel to Mx will make this a dinosaur fast.

only because intel has stagnated for the past decade.

already, the m1 macs, which are low end entry level computers, have
pushed existing intel pcs into the endangered species category.

It’s also going to push some of their own products to undesirable status.
One thing that will delay Intel’s and Windows' ruin is that fact that so
many people don’t need any more performance than they have, and lots and
lots of people simply don’t want to change OS's from something they have
become very familiar with over many years. It’s been a bit time consuming
for me, and I'm at least somewhat tech savvy. I’m sure I’ll be switching
to the M1 at some point, or adding it, but I’ll probably take a pretty big
hit on the MacBook when I sell or trade it. It’s already 1k.

And my ~1 year update on the MacBook for anyone interested: it does, as they
say, “just work�. The only problems I’ve had have been the native mail
client, and that seems to have sorted itself out, and the spinning beach

Apple Mail is good until it isn't. I've had problems with it in the
past but it's been well behaved of late - though it sometimes needs a
tickle to re-connect to GMail (where I have 2 personal and 2 business
accounts).

ball, but I leave lots of windows open in Chrome, and it mostly happens
working with one specific app, so that could be the sole blame. It has sort
of crashed once or twice, but rebooting cleared I up. Windows remains a
continuing nightmare, especially their updates.

I haven't had a Mac OS crash in years. I re-boot every ~60 days
typically. My SO's MBA has had to be force rebooted after using Screen
Sharing from my Mac. Can't access the mouse afterwards. (1 of 3 times).

Beach balls occasionally. Rarely need to kill a process though.

--
"...there are many humorous things in this world; among them the white
man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages."
-Samuel Clemens

Apple Macs: Can't upgrade, can barely repair them.
 

In article , Alan Browne
wrote:

And my ~1 year update on the MacBook for anyone interested: it does, as they
say, ³just work². The only problems I¹ve had have been the native mail
client, and that seems to have sorted itself out, and the spinning beach

Apple Mail is good until it isn't. I've had problems with it in the
past but it's been well behaved of late - though it sometimes needs a
tickle to re-connect to GMail (where I have 2 personal and 2 business
accounts).

apple mail has significant problems syncing and running filters.

ball, but I leave lots of windows open in Chrome, and it mostly happens
working with one specific app, so that could be the sole blame. It has sort
of crashed once or twice, but rebooting cleared I up. Windows remains a
continuing nightmare, especially their updates.

I haven't had a Mac OS crash in years. I re-boot every ~60 days
typically. My SO's MBA has had to be force rebooted after using Screen
Sharing from my Mac. Can't access the mouse afterwards. (1 of 3 times).

that's weird. i screenshare across many systems without any issue.

Beach balls occasionally. Rarely need to kill a process though.

a beachball just means no input seen.

Apple Macs: Can't upgrade, can barely repair them.
 

On May 30, 2021, nospam wrote
(in ) :

In article
, Bill W
wrote:

I doubt I'll do as well trying to sell this iMac, however. The jump
from intel to Mx will make this a dinosaur fast.

only because intel has stagnated for the past decade.

already, the m1 macs, which are low end entry level computers, have
pushed existing intel pcs into the endangered species category.

It¹s also going to push some of their own products to undesirable status.

that's an unfortunate side effect of any major transition.

One thing that will delay Intel¹s and Windows' ruin is that fact that so
many people don¹t need any more performance than they have, and lots and
lots of people simply don¹t want to change OS's from something they have
become very familiar with over many years. It¹s been a bit time consuming
for me, and I'm at least somewhat tech savvy. I¹m sure I¹ll be switching
to the M1 at some point, or adding it, but I¹ll probably take a pretty big
hit on the MacBook when I sell or trade it. It¹s already 1k.

there will still be a demand for intel macs due to people wanting to
boot into windows or use niche software that can't be ported to m* for
some reason (usually bogus ones).

And my ~1 year update on the MacBook for anyone interested: it does, as they
say, ³just work². The only problems I¹ve had have been the native mail
client,

apple mail is awful. unfortunately, the alternatives are worse.

and that seems to have sorted itself out,

that's good. for me, it's become worse.

and the spinning beach
ball, but I leave lots of windows open in Chrome,

chrome is a major battery and cpu hog.

and it mostly happens
working with one specific app, so that could be the sole blame.

could be, but with chrome running, it could be chrome.

check activity monitor (or command line equivalent) to see what's going
on.

It has sort
of crashed once or twice, but rebooting cleared I up.

the app or the entire mac?

The entire Mac. I can’t remember exactly what happened, but I couldn’t do
much of anything anywhere. It was no big deal - I was able to use the mouse
to reboot.

Apple Macs: Can't upgrade, can barely repair them.
 

On May 30, 2021, Alan Browne wrote
(in article ):

On 2021-05-30 14:50, Bill W wrote:
On May 30, 2021, nospam wrote
(in ) :

In , Alan Browne
wrote:

I doubt I'll do as well trying to sell this iMac, however. The jump
from intel to Mx will make this a dinosaur fast.

only because intel has stagnated for the past decade.

already, the m1 macs, which are low end entry level computers, have
pushed existing intel pcs into the endangered species category.

It’s also going to push some of their own products to undesirable status.
One thing that will delay Intel’s and Windows' ruin is that fact that so
many people don’t need any more performance than they have, and lots and
lots of people simply don’t want to change OS's from something they have
become very familiar with over many years. It’s been a bit time consuming
for me, and I'm at least somewhat tech savvy. I’m sure I’ll be switching
to the M1 at some point, or adding it, but I’ll probably take a pretty big
hit on the MacBook when I sell or trade it. It’s already 1k.

And my ~1 year update on the MacBook for anyone interested: it does, as they
say, “just work�. The only problems I’ve had have been the native mail
client, and that seems to have sorted itself out, and the spinning beach

Apple Mail is good until it isn't.

That’s mostly how I feel about it. I don’t put any demands on it because
I don’t work anymore. It’s just simple, basic personal use. It works okay
for that until it crashes. It’s been good for a while for that, now.

I've had problems with it in the
past but it's been well behaved of late - though it sometimes needs a
tickle to re-connect to GMail (where I have 2 personal and 2 business
accounts).

ball, but I leave lots of windows open in Chrome, and it mostly happens
working with one specific app, so that could be the sole blame. It has sort
of crashed once or twice, but rebooting cleared I up. Windows remains a
continuing nightmare, especially their updates.

I haven't had a Mac OS crash in years. I re-boot every ~60 days
typically. My SO's MBA has had to be force rebooted after using Screen
Sharing from my Mac. Can't access the mouse afterwards. (1 of 3 times).

Beach balls occasionally. Rarely need to kill a process though.