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For those Who Care to Play: Acros SOOC + RAF
On 4/23/2017 5:35 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2017-04-23 21:11:11 +0000, Savageduck said: OK! I found an inoffensive subject for those folks who would like to play. So here is the SOOC JPEG Acros rendition (14MB) with the RAW file (50.5 MB RAF), and for the folks who just want to peek without dealing with the big files, a resized JPEG (791KB). With LR or ACR the Adobe version of Acros is available in the Camera Calibration panel. If you care to try AlienSkin Exposure X2, they have a 30 day trial (works as stand-alone and/or as LR/PS plug-in). https://www.alienskin.com/exposure/ Their Acros simulation is found in their film presets as "Fuji Neopan 100 Acros". Resized JPEG 791KB: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6yfxuwsez20iv60/_DSF4283RS.jpg SOOC JPEG 14MB: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mes7v4u49jliphb/_DSF4283.JPG RAF 50.5MB: https://www.dropbox.com/s/9m981iseihumw2q/_DSF4283.RAF As I have said, I can get pretty close with Exposure X2. https://www.dropbox.com/s/zjrcayh6ufe4hrr/_DSF4283-E-Crop.jpg OK, I managed to download the files and converted the RAF to DNG I couldn't find anything in ACR's Camera Calibration panel. The only Camera Calibration listed is Adobe Standard. So, I opened the DNG in my Photoshop and converted to B&W. After some minor gymnastics I got quite close. [There's some discrepancy in the dark gray.] Anyway, here are some of my test simulations: Test (No Grain) https://www.dropbox.com/s/6x7a0jmjcfloik2/Test%20%2301%20%28no%20grain%29.jpg Test (Some Grain) https://www.dropbox.com/s/hcxldrc5lz54zmf/Test%20%2301%20%28grain%2001%29.jpg Test (More Grain) https://www.dropbox.com/s/r1clsukndvwn5fo/Test%20%2301%20%28grain%2002%29.jpg -- == Later... Ron C -- |
For those Who Care to Play: Acros SOOC + RAF
On 2017-04-25 16:49:17 +0000, Ron C said:
On 4/23/2017 5:35 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-04-23 21:11:11 +0000, Savageduck said: OK! I found an inoffensive subject for those folks who would like to play. So here is the SOOC JPEG Acros rendition (14MB) with the RAW file (50.5 MB RAF), and for the folks who just want to peek without dealing with the big files, a resized JPEG (791KB). With LR or ACR the Adobe version of Acros is available in the Camera Calibration panel. If you care to try AlienSkin Exposure X2, they have a 30 day trial (works as stand-alone and/or as LR/PS plug-in). https://www.alienskin.com/exposure/ Their Acros simulation is found in their film presets as "Fuji Neopan 100 Acros". Resized JPEG 791KB: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6yfxuwsez20iv60/_DSF4283RS.jpg SOOC JPEG 14MB: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mes7v4u49jliphb/_DSF4283.JPG RAF 50.5MB: https://www.dropbox.com/s/9m981iseihumw2q/_DSF4283.RAF As I have said, I can get pretty close with Exposure X2. https://www.dropbox.com/s/zjrcayh6ufe4hrr/_DSF4283-E-Crop.jpg OK, I managed to download the files and converted the RAF to DNG I couldn't find anything in ACR's Camera Calibration panel. The only Camera Calibration listed is Adobe Standard. The Acros Camera Calibration only shows in ACR if the RAF is used. What I can't say is whether or not the ACR updates for PS-CS6 include camera updates. I understand that while that version of ACR doesn't include some of the CC feature, they maintain camera updates. So, I opened the DNG in my Photoshop and converted to B&W. After some minor gymnastics I got quite close. [There's some discrepancy in the dark gray.] Anyway, here are some of my test simulations: Test (No Grain) https://www.dropbox.com/s/6x7a0jmjcfloik2/Test%20%2301%20%28no%20grain%29.jpg Not bad at all. Test (Some Grain) https://www.dropbox.com/s/hcxldrc5lz54zmf/Test%20%2301%20%28grain%2001%29.jpg Not too bad, but the grain quality is not quite up to the SOOC JPG. Test (More Grain) https://www.dropbox.com/s/r1clsukndvwn5fo/Test%20%2301%20%28grain%2002%29.jpg That one seems to have been pushed too far and the detail is spoiled rather than enhanced. The quality of the grain is way off. -- Regards, Savageduck |
For those Who Care to Play: Acros SOOC + RAF
On 4/25/2017 1:08 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2017-04-25 16:49:17 +0000, Ron C said: On 4/23/2017 5:35 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-04-23 21:11:11 +0000, Savageduck said: OK! I found an inoffensive subject for those folks who would like to play. So here is the SOOC JPEG Acros rendition (14MB) with the RAW file (50.5 MB RAF), and for the folks who just want to peek without dealing with the big files, a resized JPEG (791KB). With LR or ACR the Adobe version of Acros is available in the Camera Calibration panel. If you care to try AlienSkin Exposure X2, they have a 30 day trial (works as stand-alone and/or as LR/PS plug-in). https://www.alienskin.com/exposure/ Their Acros simulation is found in their film presets as "Fuji Neopan 100 Acros". Resized JPEG 791KB: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6yfxuwsez20iv60/_DSF4283RS.jpg SOOC JPEG 14MB: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mes7v4u49jliphb/_DSF4283.JPG RAF 50.5MB: https://www.dropbox.com/s/9m981iseihumw2q/_DSF4283.RAF As I have said, I can get pretty close with Exposure X2. https://www.dropbox.com/s/zjrcayh6ufe4hrr/_DSF4283-E-Crop.jpg OK, I managed to download the files and converted the RAF to DNG I couldn't find anything in ACR's Camera Calibration panel. The only Camera Calibration listed is Adobe Standard. The Acros Camera Calibration only shows in ACR if the RAF is used. What I can't say is whether or not the ACR updates for PS-CS6 include camera updates. I understand that while that version of ACR doesn't include some of the CC feature, they maintain camera updates. So, I opened the DNG in my Photoshop and converted to B&W. After some minor gymnastics I got quite close. [There's some discrepancy in the dark gray.] Anyway, here are some of my test simulations: Test (No Grain) https://www.dropbox.com/s/6x7a0jmjcfloik2/Test%20%2301%20%28no%20grain%29.jpg Not bad at all. Test (Some Grain) https://www.dropbox.com/s/hcxldrc5lz54zmf/Test%20%2301%20%28grain%2001%29.jpg Not too bad, but the grain quality is not quite up to the SOOC JPG. Test (More Grain) https://www.dropbox.com/s/r1clsukndvwn5fo/Test%20%2301%20%28grain%2002%29.jpg That one seems to have been pushed too far and the detail is spoiled rather than enhanced. The quality of the grain is way off. I haven't played around with conversion to B&W or with film simulations before. I knew the grain in that last test was over the top. I need to experiment a lot more with grain algorithms/procedures. I need to learn more about grain statistics. It's been an interesting exercise and thus a learning experience. -- == Later... Ron C == |
For those Who Care to Play: Acros SOOC + RAF
On 2017-04-25 18:16:46 +0000, Ron C said:
On 4/25/2017 1:08 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-04-25 16:49:17 +0000, Ron C said: On 4/23/2017 5:35 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-04-23 21:11:11 +0000, Savageduck said: OK! I found an inoffensive subject for those folks who would like to play. So here is the SOOC JPEG Acros rendition (14MB) with the RAW file (50.5 MB RAF), and for the folks who just want to peek without dealing with the big files, a resized JPEG (791KB). With LR or ACR the Adobe version of Acros is available in the Camera Calibration panel. If you care to try AlienSkin Exposure X2, they have a 30 day trial (works as stand-alone and/or as LR/PS plug-in). https://www.alienskin.com/exposure/ Their Acros simulation is found in their film presets as "Fuji Neopan 100 Acros". Resized JPEG 791KB: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6yfxuwsez20iv60/_DSF4283RS.jpg SOOC JPEG 14MB: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mes7v4u49jliphb/_DSF4283.JPG RAF 50.5MB: https://www.dropbox.com/s/9m981iseihumw2q/_DSF4283.RAF As I have said, I can get pretty close with Exposure X2. https://www.dropbox.com/s/zjrcayh6ufe4hrr/_DSF4283-E-Crop.jpg OK, I managed to download the files and converted the RAF to DNG I couldn't find anything in ACR's Camera Calibration panel. The only Camera Calibration listed is Adobe Standard. The Acros Camera Calibration only shows in ACR if the RAF is used. What I can't say is whether or not the ACR updates for PS-CS6 include camera updates. I understand that while that version of ACR doesn't include some of the CC feature, they maintain camera updates. So, I opened the DNG in my Photoshop and converted to B&W. After some minor gymnastics I got quite close. [There's some discrepancy in the dark gray.] Anyway, here are some of my test simulations: Test (No Grain) https://www.dropbox.com/s/6x7a0jmjcfloik2/Test%20%2301%20%28no%20grain%29.jpg Not bad at all. Test (Some Grain) https://www.dropbox.com/s/hcxldrc5lz54zmf/Test%20%2301%20%28grain%2001%29.jpg Not too bad, but the grain quality is not quite up to the SOOC JPG. Test (More Grain) https://www.dropbox.com/s/r1clsukndvwn5fo/Test%20%2301%20%28grain%2002%29.jpg That one seems to have been pushed too far and the detail is spoiled rather than enhanced. The quality of the grain is way off. I haven't played around with conversion to B&W or with film simulations before. I knew the grain in that last test was over the top. I need to experiment a lot more with grain algorithms/procedures. I need to learn more about grain statistics. It's been an interesting exercise and thus a learning experience. I look on all aspects of digital post processing as a great learning experience, but most of all, for a retired old fart, it is fun. Here I took the RAF into Exposure X2 (no Adobe LR or PS) for all of the post including a 16:10 crop, and an Agfacolor Neu film simulation. All of these things gets us to a very different look. https://www.dropbox.com/s/0oqocztpa7pwkhg/_DSF4283-Exposure%20%282%29.jpg -- Regards, Savageduck |
For those Who Care to Play: Acros SOOC + RAF
On 4/25/2017 3:31 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2017-04-25 18:16:46 +0000, Ron C said: On 4/25/2017 1:08 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-04-25 16:49:17 +0000, Ron C said: On 4/23/2017 5:35 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-04-23 21:11:11 +0000, Savageduck said: OK! I found an inoffensive subject for those folks who would like to play. So here is the SOOC JPEG Acros rendition (14MB) with the RAW file (50.5 MB RAF), and for the folks who just want to peek without dealing with the big files, a resized JPEG (791KB). With LR or ACR the Adobe version of Acros is available in the Camera Calibration panel. If you care to try AlienSkin Exposure X2, they have a 30 day trial (works as stand-alone and/or as LR/PS plug-in). https://www.alienskin.com/exposure/ Their Acros simulation is found in their film presets as "Fuji Neopan 100 Acros". Resized JPEG 791KB: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6yfxuwsez20iv60/_DSF4283RS.jpg SOOC JPEG 14MB: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mes7v4u49jliphb/_DSF4283.JPG RAF 50.5MB: https://www.dropbox.com/s/9m981iseihumw2q/_DSF4283.RAF As I have said, I can get pretty close with Exposure X2. https://www.dropbox.com/s/zjrcayh6ufe4hrr/_DSF4283-E-Crop.jpg OK, I managed to download the files and converted the RAF to DNG I couldn't find anything in ACR's Camera Calibration panel. The only Camera Calibration listed is Adobe Standard. The Acros Camera Calibration only shows in ACR if the RAF is used. What I can't say is whether or not the ACR updates for PS-CS6 include camera updates. I understand that while that version of ACR doesn't include some of the CC feature, they maintain camera updates. So, I opened the DNG in my Photoshop and converted to B&W. After some minor gymnastics I got quite close. [There's some discrepancy in the dark gray.] Anyway, here are some of my test simulations: Test (No Grain) https://www.dropbox.com/s/6x7a0jmjcfloik2/Test%20%2301%20%28no%20grain%29.jpg Not bad at all. Test (Some Grain) https://www.dropbox.com/s/hcxldrc5lz54zmf/Test%20%2301%20%28grain%2001%29.jpg Not too bad, but the grain quality is not quite up to the SOOC JPG. Test (More Grain) https://www.dropbox.com/s/r1clsukndvwn5fo/Test%20%2301%20%28grain%2002%29.jpg That one seems to have been pushed too far and the detail is spoiled rather than enhanced. The quality of the grain is way off. I haven't played around with conversion to B&W or with film simulations before. I knew the grain in that last test was over the top. I need to experiment a lot more with grain algorithms/procedures. I need to learn more about grain statistics. It's been an interesting exercise and thus a learning experience. I look on all aspects of digital post processing as a great learning experience, but most of all, for a retired old fart, it is fun. Here I took the RAF into Exposure X2 (no Adobe LR or PS) for all of the post including a 16:10 crop, and an Agfacolor Neu film simulation. All of these things gets us to a very different look. https://www.dropbox.com/s/0oqocztpa7pwkhg/_DSF4283-Exposure%20%282%29.jpg Actually, it was the discussion of grain simulation that got me interested in this thread. Back in the deep dark past of my wet photography days I did a lot of experiments with synthesized grain. Back then I used a ground glass plate on top of Kodalith to create various grain effects. The discussion brought back some fond memories of those days and those experiments. Photoshop allows me to experiment with techniques I'd only dreamed of back then. I find the exploration of realistic (simulated) film grain vs artificial artistic grain effects fascinating. After all these years I still tend to go for artistic renderings over realistic renderings. ~ Enough for now... -- == Later... Ron C -- |
For those Who Care to Play: Acros SOOC + RAF
On 2017-04-26 00:24:58 +0000, Ron C said:
On 4/25/2017 3:31 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-04-25 18:16:46 +0000, Ron C said: On 4/25/2017 1:08 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-04-25 16:49:17 +0000, Ron C said: On 4/23/2017 5:35 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-04-23 21:11:11 +0000, Savageduck said: OK! I found an inoffensive subject for those folks who would like to play. So here is the SOOC JPEG Acros rendition (14MB) with the RAW file (50.5 MB RAF), and for the folks who just want to peek without dealing with the big files, a resized JPEG (791KB). With LR or ACR the Adobe version of Acros is available in the Camera Calibration panel. If you care to try AlienSkin Exposure X2, they have a 30 day trial (works as stand-alone and/or as LR/PS plug-in). https://www.alienskin.com/exposure/ Their Acros simulation is found in their film presets as "Fuji Neopan 100 Acros". Resized JPEG 791KB: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6yfxuwsez20iv60/_DSF4283RS.jpg SOOC JPEG 14MB: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mes7v4u49jliphb/_DSF4283.JPG RAF 50.5MB: https://www.dropbox.com/s/9m981iseihumw2q/_DSF4283.RAF As I have said, I can get pretty close with Exposure X2. https://www.dropbox.com/s/zjrcayh6ufe4hrr/_DSF4283-E-Crop.jpg OK, I managed to download the files and converted the RAF to DNG I couldn't find anything in ACR's Camera Calibration panel. The only Camera Calibration listed is Adobe Standard. The Acros Camera Calibration only shows in ACR if the RAF is used. What I can't say is whether or not the ACR updates for PS-CS6 include camera updates. I understand that while that version of ACR doesn't include some of the CC feature, they maintain camera updates. So, I opened the DNG in my Photoshop and converted to B&W. After some minor gymnastics I got quite close. [There's some discrepancy in the dark gray.] Anyway, here are some of my test simulations: Test (No Grain) https://www.dropbox.com/s/6x7a0jmjcfloik2/Test%20%2301%20%28no%20grain%29.jpg Not bad at all. Test (Some Grain) https://www.dropbox.com/s/hcxldrc5lz54zmf/Test%20%2301%20%28grain%2001%29.jpg Not too bad, but the grain quality is not quite up to the SOOC JPG. Test (More Grain) https://www.dropbox.com/s/r1clsukndvwn5fo/Test%20%2301%20%28grain%2002%29.jpg That one seems to have been pushed too far and the detail is spoiled rather than enhanced. The quality of the grain is way off. I haven't played around with conversion to B&W or with film simulations before. I knew the grain in that last test was over the top. I need to experiment a lot more with grain algorithms/procedures. I need to learn more about grain statistics. It's been an interesting exercise and thus a learning experience. I look on all aspects of digital post processing as a great learning experience, but most of all, for a retired old fart, it is fun. Here I took the RAF into Exposure X2 (no Adobe LR or PS) for all of the post including a 16:10 crop, and an Agfacolor Neu film simulation. All of these things gets us to a very different look. https://www.dropbox.com/s/0oqocztpa7pwkhg/_DSF4283-Exposure%20%282%29.jpg Actually, it was the discussion of grain simulation that got me interested in this thread. I am just happy that we could keep this related to digital photography, and I am glad there was an aspect of the thread to lure you in. Back in the deep dark past of my wet photography days I did a lot of experiments with synthesized grain. Back then I used a ground glass plate on top of Kodalith to create various grain effects. In my wet darkroom darks it was working with Tri-X along with various Ilford and Agfa films, with different developers at different concentrations and temperatures. However, my wet darkroom equipment is long gone. The discussion brought back some fond memories of those days and those experiments. Photoshop allows me to experiment with techniques I'd only dreamed of back then. It certainly evokes a sense of nostalgia for me. I find the exploration of realistic (simulated) film grain vs artificial artistic grain effects fascinating. In that case I highly recommend testing the Alien Skin Exposure X2 trial. It was meant for folks such as us. It also does a pretty good job of most processing tasks for RAW and JPG. These days I find myself using some of the alternate tools as much if not more than my usual Lightroom/Photoshop workflow. After all these years I still tend to go for artistic renderings over realistic renderings. Nothing wrong with that. Enjoy! ~ Enough for now... -- Regards, Savageduck |
For those Who Care to Play: Acros SOOC + RAF
On 2017-04-26 03:09:14 +0000, Tony Cooper said:
On Tue, 25 Apr 2017 18:45:03 -0700, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-04-26 00:24:58 +0000, Ron C said: On 4/25/2017 3:31 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-04-25 18:16:46 +0000, Ron C said: On 4/25/2017 1:08 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-04-25 16:49:17 +0000, Ron C said: On 4/23/2017 5:35 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-04-23 21:11:11 +0000, Savageduck said: OK! I found an inoffensive subject for those folks who would like to play. So here is the SOOC JPEG Acros rendition (14MB) with the RAW file (50.5 MB RAF), and for the folks who just want to peek without dealing with the big files, a resized JPEG (791KB). With LR or ACR the Adobe version of Acros is available in the Camera Calibration panel. If you care to try AlienSkin Exposure X2, they have a 30 day trial (works as stand-alone and/or as LR/PS plug-in). https://www.alienskin.com/exposure/ Their Acros simulation is found in their film presets as "Fuji Neopan 100 Acros". Resized JPEG 791KB: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6yfxuwsez20iv60/_DSF4283RS.jpg SOOC JPEG 14MB: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mes7v4u49jliphb/_DSF4283.JPG RAF 50.5MB: https://www.dropbox.com/s/9m981iseihumw2q/_DSF4283.RAF As I have said, I can get pretty close with Exposure X2. https://www.dropbox.com/s/zjrcayh6ufe4hrr/_DSF4283-E-Crop.jpg OK, I managed to download the files and converted the RAF to DNG I couldn't find anything in ACR's Camera Calibration panel. The only Camera Calibration listed is Adobe Standard. The Acros Camera Calibration only shows in ACR if the RAF is used. What I can't say is whether or not the ACR updates for PS-CS6 include camera updates. I understand that while that version of ACR doesn't include some of the CC feature, they maintain camera updates. So, I opened the DNG in my Photoshop and converted to B&W. After some minor gymnastics I got quite close. [There's some discrepancy in the dark gray.] Anyway, here are some of my test simulations: Test (No Grain) https://www.dropbox.com/s/6x7a0jmjcfloik2/Test%20%2301%20%28no%20grain%29.jpg Not bad at all. Test (Some Grain) https://www.dropbox.com/s/hcxldrc5lz54zmf/Test%20%2301%20%28grain%2001%29.jpg Not too bad, but the grain quality is not quite up to the SOOC JPG. Test (More Grain) https://www.dropbox.com/s/r1clsukndvwn5fo/Test%20%2301%20%28grain%2002%29.jpg That one seems to have been pushed too far and the detail is spoiled rather than enhanced. The quality of the grain is way off. I haven't played around with conversion to B&W or with film simulations before. I knew the grain in that last test was over the top. I need to experiment a lot more with grain algorithms/procedures. I need to learn more about grain statistics. It's been an interesting exercise and thus a learning experience. I look on all aspects of digital post processing as a great learning experience, but most of all, for a retired old fart, it is fun. Here I took the RAF into Exposure X2 (no Adobe LR or PS) for all of the post including a 16:10 crop, and an Agfacolor Neu film simulation. All of these things gets us to a very different look. https://www.dropbox.com/s/0oqocztpa7pwkhg/_DSF4283-Exposure%20%282%29.jpg Actually, it was the discussion of grain simulation that got me interested in this thread. I am just happy that we could keep this related to digital photography, and I am glad there was an aspect of the thread to lure you in. I thought it was about the fun of photo manipulation and included film photography. The next sentence, for example. That was certainly true of the thread where that was debated ad nauseum after some thread drift. This is not really an extension of that thread. Note in that next sentence, that for Ron those "grain experiments" were back in the "deep dark past of his wet photography days". Also note that Ron says he finds Photoshop allows him to experiment with techniques not available to him in those days of yore. The other thing to note is, this was a fresh thread where I posted an RAF out of my new X-T2 along with a SOOC, Fujifilm Acros film simulation JPG, as an exercise for those who might care to try their hand at replicating the SOOC rendition from the RAW file with whatever software they choose. I am making the assumption that you are just commenting, and not participating in this exercise. If you decide to play, the links are there in DB or Adobe CC. Back in the deep dark past of my wet photography days I did a lot of experiments with synthesized grain. Back then I used a ground glass plate on top of Kodalith to create various grain effects. In my wet darkroom darks it was working with Tri-X along with various Ilford and Agfa films, with different developers at different concentrations and temperatures. However, my wet darkroom equipment is long gone. The discussion brought back some fond memories of those days and those experiments. Photoshop allows me to experiment with techniques I'd only dreamed of back then. It certainly evokes a sense of nostalgia for me. I find the exploration of realistic (simulated) film grain vs artificial artistic grain effects fascinating. In that case I highly recommend testing the Alien Skin Exposure X2 trial. It was meant for folks such as us. It also does a pretty good job of most processing tasks for RAW and JPG. These days I find myself using some of the alternate tools as much if not more than my usual Lightroom/Photoshop workflow. After all these years I still tend to go for artistic renderings over realistic renderings. Nothing wrong with that. Enjoy! ~ Enough for now... -- Regards, Savageduck |
For those Who Care to Play: Acros SOOC + RAF
On 4/25/2017 9:45 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2017-04-26 00:24:58 +0000, Ron C said: On 4/25/2017 3:31 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-04-25 18:16:46 +0000, Ron C said: On 4/25/2017 1:08 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-04-25 16:49:17 +0000, Ron C said: On 4/23/2017 5:35 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-04-23 21:11:11 +0000, Savageduck said: OK! I found an inoffensive subject for those folks who would like to play. So here is the SOOC JPEG Acros rendition (14MB) with the RAW file (50.5 MB RAF), and for the folks who just want to peek without dealing with the big files, a resized JPEG (791KB). With LR or ACR the Adobe version of Acros is available in the Camera Calibration panel. If you care to try AlienSkin Exposure X2, they have a 30 day trial (works as stand-alone and/or as LR/PS plug-in). https://www.alienskin.com/exposure/ Their Acros simulation is found in their film presets as "Fuji Neopan 100 Acros". Resized JPEG 791KB: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6yfxuwsez20iv60/_DSF4283RS.jpg SOOC JPEG 14MB: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mes7v4u49jliphb/_DSF4283.JPG RAF 50.5MB: https://www.dropbox.com/s/9m981iseihumw2q/_DSF4283.RAF As I have said, I can get pretty close with Exposure X2. https://www.dropbox.com/s/zjrcayh6ufe4hrr/_DSF4283-E-Crop.jpg OK, I managed to download the files and converted the RAF to DNG I couldn't find anything in ACR's Camera Calibration panel. The only Camera Calibration listed is Adobe Standard. The Acros Camera Calibration only shows in ACR if the RAF is used. What I can't say is whether or not the ACR updates for PS-CS6 include camera updates. I understand that while that version of ACR doesn't include some of the CC feature, they maintain camera updates. So, I opened the DNG in my Photoshop and converted to B&W. After some minor gymnastics I got quite close. [There's some discrepancy in the dark gray.] Anyway, here are some of my test simulations: Test (No Grain) https://www.dropbox.com/s/6x7a0jmjcfloik2/Test%20%2301%20%28no%20grain%29.jpg Not bad at all. Test (Some Grain) https://www.dropbox.com/s/hcxldrc5lz54zmf/Test%20%2301%20%28grain%2001%29.jpg Not too bad, but the grain quality is not quite up to the SOOC JPG. Test (More Grain) https://www.dropbox.com/s/r1clsukndvwn5fo/Test%20%2301%20%28grain%2002%29.jpg That one seems to have been pushed too far and the detail is spoiled rather than enhanced. The quality of the grain is way off. I haven't played around with conversion to B&W or with film simulations before. I knew the grain in that last test was over the top. I need to experiment a lot more with grain algorithms/procedures. I need to learn more about grain statistics. It's been an interesting exercise and thus a learning experience. I look on all aspects of digital post processing as a great learning experience, but most of all, for a retired old fart, it is fun. Here I took the RAF into Exposure X2 (no Adobe LR or PS) for all of the post including a 16:10 crop, and an Agfacolor Neu film simulation. All of these things gets us to a very different look. https://www.dropbox.com/s/0oqocztpa7pwkhg/_DSF4283-Exposure%20%282%29.jpg Actually, it was the discussion of grain simulation that got me interested in this thread. I am just happy that we could keep this related to digital photography, and I am glad there was an aspect of the thread to lure you in. Back in the deep dark past of my wet photography days I did a lot of experiments with synthesized grain. Back then I used a ground glass plate on top of Kodalith to create various grain effects. In my wet darkroom darks it was working with Tri-X along with various Ilford and Agfa films, with different developers at different concentrations and temperatures. However, my wet darkroom equipment is long gone. The discussion brought back some fond memories of those days and those experiments. Photoshop allows me to experiment with techniques I'd only dreamed of back then. It certainly evokes a sense of nostalgia for me. I find the exploration of realistic (simulated) film grain vs artificial artistic grain effects fascinating. In that case I highly recommend testing the Alien Skin Exposure X2 trial. It was meant for folks such as us. It also does a pretty good job of most processing tasks for RAW and JPG. These days I find myself using some of the alternate tools as much if not more than my usual Lightroom/Photoshop workflow. After all these years I still tend to go for artistic renderings over realistic renderings. Nothing wrong with that. Enjoy! ~ Enough for now... The Alien Skin stuff looks interesting. I'll likely try it out one of these days. For now I'm content in re-exploring grain. I've done a bunch of experiments and learned a lot about different ways to add grain as well as ways to mess with grain statistics. Much left to learn. I'd like to learn more about the difference between high ISO digital noise and push processing, grain popping noise, etc. Too bad others haven't joined this sandbox. ~ Enough for now... -- == Later... Ron C -- |
For those Who Care to Play: Acros SOOC + RAF
On 2017-04-27 03:09:43 +0000, Ron C said:
On 4/25/2017 9:45 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-04-26 00:24:58 +0000, Ron C said:\ On 4/25/2017 3:31 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-04-25 18:16:46 +0000, Ron C said: On 4/25/2017 1:08 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-04-25 16:49:17 +0000, Ron C said: On 4/23/2017 5:35 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-04-23 21:11:11 +0000, Savageduck said: OK! I found an inoffensive subject for those folks who would like to play. So here is the SOOC JPEG Acros rendition (14MB) with the RAW file (50.5 MB RAF), and for the folks who just want to peek without dealing with the big files, a resized JPEG (791KB). With LR or ACR the Adobe version of Acros is available in the Camera Calibration panel. If you care to try AlienSkin Exposure X2, they have a 30 day trial (works as stand-alone and/or as LR/PS plug-in). https://www.alienskin.com/exposure/ Their Acros simulation is found in their film presets as "Fuji Neopan 100 Acros". Resized JPEG 791KB: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6yfxuwsez20iv60/_DSF4283RS.jpg SOOC JPEG 14MB: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mes7v4u49jliphb/_DSF4283.JPG RAF 50.5MB: https://www.dropbox.com/s/9m981iseihumw2q/_DSF4283.RAF As I have said, I can get pretty close with Exposure X2. https://www.dropbox.com/s/zjrcayh6ufe4hrr/_DSF4283-E-Crop.jpg OK, I managed to download the files and converted the RAF to DNG I couldn't find anything in ACR's Camera Calibration panel. The only Camera Calibration listed is Adobe Standard. The Acros Camera Calibration only shows in ACR if the RAF is used. What I can't say is whether or not the ACR updates for PS-CS6 include camera updates. I understand that while that version of ACR doesn't include some of the CC feature, they maintain camera updates. So, I opened the DNG in my Photoshop and converted to B&W. After some minor gymnastics I got quite close. [There's some discrepancy in the dark gray.] Anyway, here are some of my test simulations: Test (No Grain) https://www.dropbox.com/s/6x7a0jmjcfloik2/Test%20%2301%20%28no%20grain%29.jpg Not bad at all. Test (Some Grain) https://www.dropbox.com/s/hcxldrc5lz54zmf/Test%20%2301%20%28grain%2001%29.jpg Not too bad, but the grain quality is not quite up to the SOOC JPG. Test (More Grain) https://www.dropbox.com/s/r1clsukndvwn5fo/Test%20%2301%20%28grain%2002%29.jpg That one seems to have been pushed too far and the detail is spoiled rather than enhanced. The quality of the grain is way off. I haven't played around with conversion to B&W or with film simulations before. I knew the grain in that last test was over the top. I need to experiment a lot morewith grain algorithms/procedures. I need to learn more about grain statistics. It's been an interesting exercise and thus a learning experience. I look on all aspects of digital post processing as a great learning experience, but most of all, for a retired old fart, it is fun. Here I took the RAF into Exposure X2 (no Adobe LR or PS) for all of the post including a 16:10 crop, and an Agfacolor Neu film simulation. All of these things gets us to a very different look. https://www.dropbox.com/s/0oqocztpa7pwkhg/_DSF4283-Exposure%20%282%29.jpg Actually, it was the discussion of grain simulation that got me interested in this thread. I am just happy that we could keep this related to digital photography, and I am glad there was an aspect of the thread to lure you in. Back in the deep dark past of my wet photography days I did a lot of experiments with synthesized grain. Back then I used a ground glass plate on top of Kodalith to create various grain effects. In my wet darkroom darks it was working with Tri-X along with various Ilford and Agfa films, with different developers at different concentrations and temperatures. However, my wet darkroom equipment is long gone. The discussion brought back some fond memories of those days and those experiments. Photoshop allows me to experiment with techniques I'd only dreamed of back then. It certainly evokes a sense of nostalgia for me. I find the exploration of realistic (simulated) film grain vs artificial artistic grain effects fascinating. In that case I highly recommend testing the Alien Skin Exposure X2 trial. It was meant for folks such as us. It also does a pretty good job of most processing tasks for RAW and JPG. These days I find myself using some of the alternate tools as much if not more than my usual Lightroom/Photoshop workflow. After all these years I still tend to go for artistic renderings over realistic renderings. Nothing wrong with that. Enjoy! ~ Enough for now... The Alien Skin stuff looks interesting. I'll likely try it out one of these days. It is actually not too tough to work with. They have some videos to get you started, and they have more tutorials on youtube. Just remember, it is just a 30 day trial, and I have been happy enough to pay for it. For now I'm content in re-exploring grain. I've done a bunch of experiments and learned a lot about different ways to add grain as well as ways to mess with grain statistics. Much left to learn. I'd like to learn more about the difference between high ISO digital noise and push processing, grain popping noise, etc. Too bad others haven't joined this sandbox. I guess it was too closely related to photography, and not enough bitching for the usual suspects. It was worth a try. ;-) ~ Enough for now... -- == Later... Ron C -- Regards, Savageduck |
For those Who Care to Play: Acros SOOC + RAF
On Sun, 23 Apr 2017 19:32:33 -0700, Savageduck
wrote: On 2017-04-24 02:23:27 +0000, Bill W said: On Sun, 23 Apr 2017 19:05:53 -0700, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-04-24 01:34:56 +0000, Bill W said: On Sun, 23 Apr 2017 14:11:11 -0700, Savageduck wrote: OK! I found an inoffensive subject for those folks who would like to play. So here is the SOOC JPEG Acros rendition (14MB) with the RAW file (50.5 MB RAF), and for the folks who just want to peek without dealing with the big files, a resized JPEG (791KB). With LR or ACR the Adobe version of Acros is available in the Camera Calibration panel. If you care to try AlienSkin Exposure X2, they have a 30 day trial (works as stand-alone and/or as LR/PS plug-in). https://www.alienskin.com/exposure/ Their Acros simulation is found in their film presets as "Fuji Neopan 100 Acros". Resized JPEG 791KB: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6yfxuwsez20iv60/_DSF4283RS.jpg SOOC JPEG 14MB: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mes7v4u49jliphb/_DSF4283.JPG RAF 50.5MB: https://www.dropbox.com/s/9m981iseihumw2q/_DSF4283.RAF I suck at this. I need a couple of more months. What happened? You were the most enthusiastic at wanting to play this game. What sort of issue are you experiencing? The issue is that I suck at it. To be honest, I spent only a short time so far. I decided to just pick a basic B&W preset, and start with that. I decided that the exposure, tone, contrast, and micro-contrast were the main issues to start with, and I couldn't get anywhere with those. But again, I spent only about 10 minutes so far. I'll get back to it later. OK! Don't drive yourself crazy with this little exercise. ;-) Well, I finally got my photo computer working again a little after I hung up on MS customer support, and a little before I reached the bomb threat level of frustration with them. Anyway, I should be too embarrassed to post this, but here is my pathetic try: https://www.flickr.com/gp/48982192@N05/w7af6P Just more proof that I can get really lost in post. BTW, if racing is of any interest to you, I have a "Videos" album on Flickr, with exactly one video. Let me know what you think of the woman driver in the Grand National. Don't bother letting me know what you think of my video skills, though. |
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