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Dallas September 2nd 04 03:41 PM

$1000 for a 15mm AIS Nikkor!
 
I see one on KEH for a grand. Looks like a stunner, but is that price
worth it? Are there any alternatives?

--
Dallas www.dallasdahms.com
"Going down a dirty inner city side road I plotted
Madness passed me by, she smiled hi, I nodded"
- Sixto Rodriguez


Stephen H. Westin September 2nd 04 06:52 PM

Dallas writes:

I see one on KEH for a grand. Looks like a stunner, but is that price
worth it? Are there any alternatives?


See Ken Rockwell's review at http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/1535.htm.
Brief synopsis:
o it's probably wider than you need or want
o it's very susceptible to flare
o sharpness isn't bad.

He also suggests several alternatives, ranging from Tokina to the
Nikkor 14mm f/2.8 AF.

--
-Stephen H. Westin
Any information or opinions in this message are mine: they do not
represent the position of Cornell University or any of its sponsors.

Stephen H. Westin September 2nd 04 06:52 PM

Dallas writes:

I see one on KEH for a grand. Looks like a stunner, but is that price
worth it? Are there any alternatives?


See Ken Rockwell's review at http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/1535.htm.
Brief synopsis:
o it's probably wider than you need or want
o it's very susceptible to flare
o sharpness isn't bad.

He also suggests several alternatives, ranging from Tokina to the
Nikkor 14mm f/2.8 AF.

--
-Stephen H. Westin
Any information or opinions in this message are mine: they do not
represent the position of Cornell University or any of its sponsors.

David Dyer-Bennet September 2nd 04 07:56 PM

(Stephen H. Westin) writes:

Dallas writes:

I see one on KEH for a grand. Looks like a stunner, but is that price
worth it? Are there any alternatives?


See Ken Rockwell's review at http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/1535.htm.
Brief synopsis:
o it's probably wider than you need or want


These days, people may be wanting to run it on a D100/d70/Fuji S2,
where it's not nearly as likely to be wider than you need or want. (I
had a 17mm before I got a DSLR; I admit that I didn't have any strong
desire for anything wider until after I got the DSLR.)

He also suggests several alternatives, ranging from Tokina to the
Nikkor 14mm f/2.8 AF.


And let's not forget the Sigma 12-24mm.
--
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RKBA: http://noguns-nomoney.com/ http://www.dd-b.net/carry/
Pics: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/
Dragaera/Steven Brust: http://dragaera.info/

David Dyer-Bennet September 2nd 04 07:56 PM

(Stephen H. Westin) writes:

Dallas writes:

I see one on KEH for a grand. Looks like a stunner, but is that price
worth it? Are there any alternatives?


See Ken Rockwell's review at http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/1535.htm.
Brief synopsis:
o it's probably wider than you need or want


These days, people may be wanting to run it on a D100/d70/Fuji S2,
where it's not nearly as likely to be wider than you need or want. (I
had a 17mm before I got a DSLR; I admit that I didn't have any strong
desire for anything wider until after I got the DSLR.)

He also suggests several alternatives, ranging from Tokina to the
Nikkor 14mm f/2.8 AF.


And let's not forget the Sigma 12-24mm.
--
David Dyer-Bennet, , http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/
RKBA: http://noguns-nomoney.com/ http://www.dd-b.net/carry/
Pics: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/
Dragaera/Steven Brust: http://dragaera.info/

Dallas September 2nd 04 08:49 PM

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 13:52:18 -0400, Stephen H. Westin wrote:

Dallas writes:

I see one on KEH for a grand. Looks like a stunner, but is that price
worth it? Are there any alternatives?


See Ken Rockwell's review at http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/1535.htm.
Brief synopsis:
o it's probably wider than you need or want
o it's very susceptible to flare
o sharpness isn't bad.

He also suggests several alternatives, ranging from Tokina to the
Nikkor 14mm f/2.8 AF.


Thanks Stephen.

I will investigate the 14mm f/2.8 but I am looking for a rectilinear ultra
wide angle. Isn't the 14mm a fisheye?

BTW, I take everything Ken Rockwell says with a big bag of salt. Moreover,
I don't even visit his site anymore since he started filling it with
banners and other pop-up **** that lead to porno site and spyware loaders.

--
Dallas www.dallasdahms.com
"Going down a dirty inner city side road I plotted
Madness passed me by, she smiled hi, I nodded"
- Sixto Rodriguez


Dallas September 2nd 04 08:49 PM

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 13:52:18 -0400, Stephen H. Westin wrote:

Dallas writes:

I see one on KEH for a grand. Looks like a stunner, but is that price
worth it? Are there any alternatives?


See Ken Rockwell's review at http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/1535.htm.
Brief synopsis:
o it's probably wider than you need or want
o it's very susceptible to flare
o sharpness isn't bad.

He also suggests several alternatives, ranging from Tokina to the
Nikkor 14mm f/2.8 AF.


Thanks Stephen.

I will investigate the 14mm f/2.8 but I am looking for a rectilinear ultra
wide angle. Isn't the 14mm a fisheye?

BTW, I take everything Ken Rockwell says with a big bag of salt. Moreover,
I don't even visit his site anymore since he started filling it with
banners and other pop-up **** that lead to porno site and spyware loaders.

--
Dallas www.dallasdahms.com
"Going down a dirty inner city side road I plotted
Madness passed me by, she smiled hi, I nodded"
- Sixto Rodriguez


Stephen H. Westin September 2nd 04 09:14 PM

Dallas writes:

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 13:52:18 -0400, Stephen H. Westin wrote:

Dallas writes:

I see one on KEH for a grand. Looks like a stunner, but is that price
worth it? Are there any alternatives?


See Ken Rockwell's review at http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/1535.htm.
Brief synopsis:
o it's probably wider than you need or want
o it's very susceptible to flare
o sharpness isn't bad.

He also suggests several alternatives, ranging from Tokina to the
Nikkor 14mm f/2.8 AF.


Thanks Stephen.

I will investigate the 14mm f/2.8 but I am looking for a rectilinear ultra
wide angle. Isn't the 14mm a fisheye?


Nope, that would be the AF Fisheye-Nikkor 16mm f/2.8D. See
http://nikonimaging.com/global/products/lens/af/wideangle/af_14mmf_28d/.
Rackwell claims very little distortion in the 14mm AF lens, and even
less in the 15mm AI-s.


BTW, I take everything Ken Rockwell says with a big bag of salt. Moreover,
I don't even visit his site anymore since he started filling it with
banners and other pop-up **** that lead to porno site and spyware loaders.


Yeah, I meant to warn others that they were heading into pop-up heaven.

--
-Stephen H. Westin
Any information or opinions in this message are mine: they do not
represent the position of Cornell University or any of its sponsors.

Stephen H. Westin September 2nd 04 09:14 PM

Dallas writes:

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 13:52:18 -0400, Stephen H. Westin wrote:

Dallas writes:

I see one on KEH for a grand. Looks like a stunner, but is that price
worth it? Are there any alternatives?


See Ken Rockwell's review at http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/1535.htm.
Brief synopsis:
o it's probably wider than you need or want
o it's very susceptible to flare
o sharpness isn't bad.

He also suggests several alternatives, ranging from Tokina to the
Nikkor 14mm f/2.8 AF.


Thanks Stephen.

I will investigate the 14mm f/2.8 but I am looking for a rectilinear ultra
wide angle. Isn't the 14mm a fisheye?


Nope, that would be the AF Fisheye-Nikkor 16mm f/2.8D. See
http://nikonimaging.com/global/products/lens/af/wideangle/af_14mmf_28d/.
Rackwell claims very little distortion in the 14mm AF lens, and even
less in the 15mm AI-s.


BTW, I take everything Ken Rockwell says with a big bag of salt. Moreover,
I don't even visit his site anymore since he started filling it with
banners and other pop-up **** that lead to porno site and spyware loaders.


Yeah, I meant to warn others that they were heading into pop-up heaven.

--
-Stephen H. Westin
Any information or opinions in this message are mine: they do not
represent the position of Cornell University or any of its sponsors.

Gordon Moat September 2nd 04 09:52 PM

Dallas wrote:

I see one on KEH for a grand. Looks like a stunner, but is that price
worth it? Are there any alternatives?


Definitely. If you really want better results, and lower cost, get a
Voigtländer 15 mm (under $350). All you really need then is an old Leica
body, a low cost Bessa-L body (under $100), or a Bessa-T (under $200). I
have seen quite a few sample images from using that lens, and it is
easily the best 15 mm results I have ever seen.

Check out more information, and pricing at http://www.cameraquest.com

That 15 mm has so much DoF, that see through the lens is not necessary.
Using a shoe mount finder works quite well with such a wide view.

Ciao!

Gordon Moat
A G Studio
http://www.allgstudio.com/gallery.html Updated!


Gordon Moat September 2nd 04 09:52 PM

Dallas wrote:

I see one on KEH for a grand. Looks like a stunner, but is that price
worth it? Are there any alternatives?


Definitely. If you really want better results, and lower cost, get a
Voigtländer 15 mm (under $350). All you really need then is an old Leica
body, a low cost Bessa-L body (under $100), or a Bessa-T (under $200). I
have seen quite a few sample images from using that lens, and it is
easily the best 15 mm results I have ever seen.

Check out more information, and pricing at http://www.cameraquest.com

That 15 mm has so much DoF, that see through the lens is not necessary.
Using a shoe mount finder works quite well with such a wide view.

Ciao!

Gordon Moat
A G Studio
http://www.allgstudio.com/gallery.html Updated!


Annika1980 September 3rd 04 12:43 AM

From: Dallas

I see one on KEH for a grand. Looks like a stunner, but is that price
worth it? Are there any alternatives?


You jumped into that cesspool.
Better learn to swim.

Too bad you didn't get the 20D with the new 10-22mm lens. Bet you feel pretty
stupid right now, huh?

LOL!





Annika1980 September 3rd 04 12:43 AM

From: Dallas

I see one on KEH for a grand. Looks like a stunner, but is that price
worth it? Are there any alternatives?


You jumped into that cesspool.
Better learn to swim.

Too bad you didn't get the 20D with the new 10-22mm lens. Bet you feel pretty
stupid right now, huh?

LOL!





Philip Homburg September 3rd 04 01:27 PM

In article ,
Gordon Moat wrote:
That 15 mm has so much DoF, that see through the lens is not necessary.
Using a shoe mount finder works quite well with such a wide view.


The hyperfocal distance for 15/3.5 is more than 2 meters. The first test
photos I took with a 16/3.5 fisheye made it very clear: dof is still an
issue.


--
The Electronic Monk was a labor-saving device, like a dishwasher or a video
recorder. [...] Video recorders watched tedious television for you, thus saving
you the bother of looking at it yourself; Electronic Monks believed things for
you, [...] -- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency

Philip Homburg September 3rd 04 01:27 PM

In article ,
Gordon Moat wrote:
That 15 mm has so much DoF, that see through the lens is not necessary.
Using a shoe mount finder works quite well with such a wide view.


The hyperfocal distance for 15/3.5 is more than 2 meters. The first test
photos I took with a 16/3.5 fisheye made it very clear: dof is still an
issue.


--
The Electronic Monk was a labor-saving device, like a dishwasher or a video
recorder. [...] Video recorders watched tedious television for you, thus saving
you the bother of looking at it yourself; Electronic Monks believed things for
you, [...] -- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency

Philip Homburg September 3rd 04 01:27 PM

In article ,
Gordon Moat wrote:
That 15 mm has so much DoF, that see through the lens is not necessary.
Using a shoe mount finder works quite well with such a wide view.


The hyperfocal distance for 15/3.5 is more than 2 meters. The first test
photos I took with a 16/3.5 fisheye made it very clear: dof is still an
issue.


--
The Electronic Monk was a labor-saving device, like a dishwasher or a video
recorder. [...] Video recorders watched tedious television for you, thus saving
you the bother of looking at it yourself; Electronic Monks believed things for
you, [...] -- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency

Gordon Moat September 3rd 04 08:25 PM

Philip Homburg wrote:

In article ,
Gordon Moat wrote:
That 15 mm has so much DoF, that see through the lens is not necessary.
Using a shoe mount finder works quite well with such a wide view.


The hyperfocal distance for 15/3.5 is more than 2 meters. The first test
photos I took with a 16/3.5 fisheye made it very clear: dof is still an
issue.


Very true, so I should qualify my statement a bit. The Voigtländer 15 mm has
distance markings on the lens barrel. Very good results can be accomplished by
guessing the distance, or using an external rangefinder to set the distance by the
lens scale. That ability to set the distance with a reasonable degree of accuracy
is what I meant by not needing to look through the lens. In practice, setting the
distance in that manner can give quite good results.

Ciao!

Gordon Moat
A G Studio
http://www.allgstudio.com/gallery.html Updated!


Gordon Moat September 3rd 04 08:25 PM

Philip Homburg wrote:

In article ,
Gordon Moat wrote:
That 15 mm has so much DoF, that see through the lens is not necessary.
Using a shoe mount finder works quite well with such a wide view.


The hyperfocal distance for 15/3.5 is more than 2 meters. The first test
photos I took with a 16/3.5 fisheye made it very clear: dof is still an
issue.


Very true, so I should qualify my statement a bit. The Voigtländer 15 mm has
distance markings on the lens barrel. Very good results can be accomplished by
guessing the distance, or using an external rangefinder to set the distance by the
lens scale. That ability to set the distance with a reasonable degree of accuracy
is what I meant by not needing to look through the lens. In practice, setting the
distance in that manner can give quite good results.

Ciao!

Gordon Moat
A G Studio
http://www.allgstudio.com/gallery.html Updated!


Martin Francis September 3rd 04 08:29 PM

"Dallas" wrote in message
.za...
I see one on KEH for a grand. Looks like a stunner, but is that price
worth it? Are there any alternatives?


Still got the F2? Only the Voigtlander 15mm is available in Nikon mount, but
requires your mirror be locked up. The accessory finder simply replaces your
prism. See-

http://www.cameraquest.com/Voigt%20SL.htm

--
Martin Francis http://www.sixbysix.co.uk
"Go not to Usenet for counsel, for it will say both no, and yes, and
no, and yes...."



Martin Francis September 3rd 04 08:29 PM

"Dallas" wrote in message
.za...
I see one on KEH for a grand. Looks like a stunner, but is that price
worth it? Are there any alternatives?


Still got the F2? Only the Voigtlander 15mm is available in Nikon mount, but
requires your mirror be locked up. The accessory finder simply replaces your
prism. See-

http://www.cameraquest.com/Voigt%20SL.htm

--
Martin Francis http://www.sixbysix.co.uk
"Go not to Usenet for counsel, for it will say both no, and yes, and
no, and yes...."



Stephen H. Westin September 3rd 04 09:09 PM

"Martin Francis" writes:

"Dallas" wrote in message
.za...
I see one on KEH for a grand. Looks like a stunner, but is that price
worth it? Are there any alternatives?


Still got the F2? Only the Voigtlander 15mm is available in Nikon mount, but
requires your mirror be locked up. The accessory finder simply replaces your
prism. See-

http://www.cameraquest.com/Voigt%20SL.htm


Or, for a couple hundred more, there's the 12mm f:5.6!

--
-Stephen H. Westin
Any information or opinions in this message are mine: they do not
represent the position of Cornell University or any of its sponsors.

Stephen H. Westin September 3rd 04 09:09 PM

"Martin Francis" writes:

"Dallas" wrote in message
.za...
I see one on KEH for a grand. Looks like a stunner, but is that price
worth it? Are there any alternatives?


Still got the F2? Only the Voigtlander 15mm is available in Nikon mount, but
requires your mirror be locked up. The accessory finder simply replaces your
prism. See-

http://www.cameraquest.com/Voigt%20SL.htm


Or, for a couple hundred more, there's the 12mm f:5.6!

--
-Stephen H. Westin
Any information or opinions in this message are mine: they do not
represent the position of Cornell University or any of its sponsors.

Dallas September 4th 04 07:14 AM

On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 19:29:27 +0000, Martin Francis wrote:

"Dallas" wrote in message
.za...
I see one on KEH for a grand. Looks like a stunner, but is that price
worth it? Are there any alternatives?


Still got the F2? Only the Voigtlander 15mm is available in Nikon mount, but
requires your mirror be locked up. The accessory finder simply replaces your
prism. See-

http://www.cameraquest.com/Voigt%20SL.htm


I still got the F2. Will never part with it, although I need to find a new
prism.

--
Dallas www.dallasdahms.com
"Going down a dirty inner city side road I plotted
Madness passed me by, she smiled hi, I nodded"
- Sixto Rodriguez


Dallas September 4th 04 07:14 AM

On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 19:29:27 +0000, Martin Francis wrote:

"Dallas" wrote in message
.za...
I see one on KEH for a grand. Looks like a stunner, but is that price
worth it? Are there any alternatives?


Still got the F2? Only the Voigtlander 15mm is available in Nikon mount, but
requires your mirror be locked up. The accessory finder simply replaces your
prism. See-

http://www.cameraquest.com/Voigt%20SL.htm


I still got the F2. Will never part with it, although I need to find a new
prism.

--
Dallas www.dallasdahms.com
"Going down a dirty inner city side road I plotted
Madness passed me by, she smiled hi, I nodded"
- Sixto Rodriguez


Dallas September 4th 04 07:14 AM

On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 19:29:27 +0000, Martin Francis wrote:

"Dallas" wrote in message
.za...
I see one on KEH for a grand. Looks like a stunner, but is that price
worth it? Are there any alternatives?


Still got the F2? Only the Voigtlander 15mm is available in Nikon mount, but
requires your mirror be locked up. The accessory finder simply replaces your
prism. See-

http://www.cameraquest.com/Voigt%20SL.htm


I still got the F2. Will never part with it, although I need to find a new
prism.

--
Dallas www.dallasdahms.com
"Going down a dirty inner city side road I plotted
Madness passed me by, she smiled hi, I nodded"
- Sixto Rodriguez


MXP September 6th 04 09:27 PM

Is the 10-22 mm lens a full frame lens? ....does it cover 24x36mm?
A true wide angle lens?

Max


"Annika1980" skrev i en meddelelse
...
From: Dallas


I see one on KEH for a grand. Looks like a stunner, but is that price
worth it? Are there any alternatives?


You jumped into that cesspool.
Better learn to swim.

Too bad you didn't get the 20D with the new 10-22mm lens. Bet you feel

pretty
stupid right now, huh?

LOL!







MXP September 6th 04 09:27 PM

Is the 10-22 mm lens a full frame lens? ....does it cover 24x36mm?
A true wide angle lens?

Max


"Annika1980" skrev i en meddelelse
...
From: Dallas


I see one on KEH for a grand. Looks like a stunner, but is that price
worth it? Are there any alternatives?


You jumped into that cesspool.
Better learn to swim.

Too bad you didn't get the 20D with the new 10-22mm lens. Bet you feel

pretty
stupid right now, huh?

LOL!







MXP September 6th 04 09:27 PM

Is the 10-22 mm lens a full frame lens? ....does it cover 24x36mm?
A true wide angle lens?

Max


"Annika1980" skrev i en meddelelse
...
From: Dallas


I see one on KEH for a grand. Looks like a stunner, but is that price
worth it? Are there any alternatives?


You jumped into that cesspool.
Better learn to swim.

Too bad you didn't get the 20D with the new 10-22mm lens. Bet you feel

pretty
stupid right now, huh?

LOL!







EDGY01 September 7th 04 03:40 AM

I see one on KEH for a grand. Looks like a stunner, but is that price
worth it? Are there any alternatives?
BRBR



Go with the modern 14mm f/2.8 AF-Nikkor. The 15mm is physically larger due to
being an older design and image wise on a par or less than the 14mm,--which is
a rectilinear lens. By the way,--$1000 for a 15mm Nikkor is not really that
big a bargain. You can find them on ebay in mint- condition with filters and
case for less.

dan

EDGY01 September 7th 04 03:40 AM

I see one on KEH for a grand. Looks like a stunner, but is that price
worth it? Are there any alternatives?
BRBR



Go with the modern 14mm f/2.8 AF-Nikkor. The 15mm is physically larger due to
being an older design and image wise on a par or less than the 14mm,--which is
a rectilinear lens. By the way,--$1000 for a 15mm Nikkor is not really that
big a bargain. You can find them on ebay in mint- condition with filters and
case for less.

dan


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