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Gordon Moat September 2nd 04 09:52 PM

Dallas wrote:

I see one on KEH for a grand. Looks like a stunner, but is that price
worth it? Are there any alternatives?


Definitely. If you really want better results, and lower cost, get a
Voigtländer 15 mm (under $350). All you really need then is an old Leica
body, a low cost Bessa-L body (under $100), or a Bessa-T (under $200). I
have seen quite a few sample images from using that lens, and it is
easily the best 15 mm results I have ever seen.

Check out more information, and pricing at http://www.cameraquest.com

That 15 mm has so much DoF, that see through the lens is not necessary.
Using a shoe mount finder works quite well with such a wide view.

Ciao!

Gordon Moat
A G Studio
http://www.allgstudio.com/gallery.html Updated!


Annika1980 September 3rd 04 12:43 AM

From: Dallas

I see one on KEH for a grand. Looks like a stunner, but is that price
worth it? Are there any alternatives?


You jumped into that cesspool.
Better learn to swim.

Too bad you didn't get the 20D with the new 10-22mm lens. Bet you feel pretty
stupid right now, huh?

LOL!





Annika1980 September 3rd 04 12:43 AM

From: Dallas

I see one on KEH for a grand. Looks like a stunner, but is that price
worth it? Are there any alternatives?


You jumped into that cesspool.
Better learn to swim.

Too bad you didn't get the 20D with the new 10-22mm lens. Bet you feel pretty
stupid right now, huh?

LOL!





Philip Homburg September 3rd 04 01:27 PM

In article ,
Gordon Moat wrote:
That 15 mm has so much DoF, that see through the lens is not necessary.
Using a shoe mount finder works quite well with such a wide view.


The hyperfocal distance for 15/3.5 is more than 2 meters. The first test
photos I took with a 16/3.5 fisheye made it very clear: dof is still an
issue.


--
The Electronic Monk was a labor-saving device, like a dishwasher or a video
recorder. [...] Video recorders watched tedious television for you, thus saving
you the bother of looking at it yourself; Electronic Monks believed things for
you, [...] -- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency

Philip Homburg September 3rd 04 01:27 PM

In article ,
Gordon Moat wrote:
That 15 mm has so much DoF, that see through the lens is not necessary.
Using a shoe mount finder works quite well with such a wide view.


The hyperfocal distance for 15/3.5 is more than 2 meters. The first test
photos I took with a 16/3.5 fisheye made it very clear: dof is still an
issue.


--
The Electronic Monk was a labor-saving device, like a dishwasher or a video
recorder. [...] Video recorders watched tedious television for you, thus saving
you the bother of looking at it yourself; Electronic Monks believed things for
you, [...] -- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency

Philip Homburg September 3rd 04 01:27 PM

In article ,
Gordon Moat wrote:
That 15 mm has so much DoF, that see through the lens is not necessary.
Using a shoe mount finder works quite well with such a wide view.


The hyperfocal distance for 15/3.5 is more than 2 meters. The first test
photos I took with a 16/3.5 fisheye made it very clear: dof is still an
issue.


--
The Electronic Monk was a labor-saving device, like a dishwasher or a video
recorder. [...] Video recorders watched tedious television for you, thus saving
you the bother of looking at it yourself; Electronic Monks believed things for
you, [...] -- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency

Gordon Moat September 3rd 04 08:25 PM

Philip Homburg wrote:

In article ,
Gordon Moat wrote:
That 15 mm has so much DoF, that see through the lens is not necessary.
Using a shoe mount finder works quite well with such a wide view.


The hyperfocal distance for 15/3.5 is more than 2 meters. The first test
photos I took with a 16/3.5 fisheye made it very clear: dof is still an
issue.


Very true, so I should qualify my statement a bit. The Voigtländer 15 mm has
distance markings on the lens barrel. Very good results can be accomplished by
guessing the distance, or using an external rangefinder to set the distance by the
lens scale. That ability to set the distance with a reasonable degree of accuracy
is what I meant by not needing to look through the lens. In practice, setting the
distance in that manner can give quite good results.

Ciao!

Gordon Moat
A G Studio
http://www.allgstudio.com/gallery.html Updated!


Gordon Moat September 3rd 04 08:25 PM

Philip Homburg wrote:

In article ,
Gordon Moat wrote:
That 15 mm has so much DoF, that see through the lens is not necessary.
Using a shoe mount finder works quite well with such a wide view.


The hyperfocal distance for 15/3.5 is more than 2 meters. The first test
photos I took with a 16/3.5 fisheye made it very clear: dof is still an
issue.


Very true, so I should qualify my statement a bit. The Voigtländer 15 mm has
distance markings on the lens barrel. Very good results can be accomplished by
guessing the distance, or using an external rangefinder to set the distance by the
lens scale. That ability to set the distance with a reasonable degree of accuracy
is what I meant by not needing to look through the lens. In practice, setting the
distance in that manner can give quite good results.

Ciao!

Gordon Moat
A G Studio
http://www.allgstudio.com/gallery.html Updated!


Martin Francis September 3rd 04 08:29 PM

"Dallas" wrote in message
.za...
I see one on KEH for a grand. Looks like a stunner, but is that price
worth it? Are there any alternatives?


Still got the F2? Only the Voigtlander 15mm is available in Nikon mount, but
requires your mirror be locked up. The accessory finder simply replaces your
prism. See-

http://www.cameraquest.com/Voigt%20SL.htm

--
Martin Francis http://www.sixbysix.co.uk
"Go not to Usenet for counsel, for it will say both no, and yes, and
no, and yes...."



Martin Francis September 3rd 04 08:29 PM

"Dallas" wrote in message
.za...
I see one on KEH for a grand. Looks like a stunner, but is that price
worth it? Are there any alternatives?


Still got the F2? Only the Voigtlander 15mm is available in Nikon mount, but
requires your mirror be locked up. The accessory finder simply replaces your
prism. See-

http://www.cameraquest.com/Voigt%20SL.htm

--
Martin Francis http://www.sixbysix.co.uk
"Go not to Usenet for counsel, for it will say both no, and yes, and
no, and yes...."




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