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Another sign of the apocalypse
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Another sign of the apocalypse
On Fri, 31 May 2013 05:08:34 -0700 (PDT), Noons
wrote: On May 31, 9:28*pm, Bowser wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/05...es-lays-off-ph... Short sighted, and stupid. buying "pro" equipment in the hope of looking like one? Indeed... Exactly. Sort of like all those utter fools who ask their friend who owns a DSLR to shoot their wedding. Hint: you want quality pix, hire a pro. |
Another sign of the apocalypse
On Fri, 31 May 2013 07:28:14 -0400, Bowser wrote:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/05...ff-photo-staff Short sighted, and stupid. " Newspapers that see photo departments as service organizations - meaning pictures are an accompaniment to a story, versus something that stands on its own - see that service as something that can be provided by anyone." I've noticed an increasing tendency for stories to be accompanied by images which have little to directly do with the story. If the story is about a car accident, there will be a photograph of a smashed car but probably not the car in the accident. If the story is about the accident blocking the freeway, all you need is a photograph of a blocked freeway. Any freeway will do. If the story is about a fire, all you need is a stock photo of a fire appliance. Who needs photographers? You can do it all with an Internet search. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
Another sign of the apocalypse
On 2013-05-31 11:28:14 +0000, Bowser said:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/05...ff-photo-staff Short sighted, and stupid. You don't have to be a reader of Dilbert to recognize the systemic and generalized incompetence of management in so many industries and businesses. Those who can, do. Those who cannot do, manage. And those who cannot manage, are the CEOs. -- Michael |
Another sign of the apocalypse
On 2013.05.31 07:28 , Bowser wrote:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/05...ff-photo-staff Short sighted, and stupid. The Chicago Tribune has been in financial straights over the last 10+ years and have dropped writers, editors, columnists, office staff, etc. Some newspapers have set up strong paywalls (The WSJ) and others weaker paywalls (NYT). Many (Chicago Trib and sister LA Times) have not gone there (The LA Times puts up obstacles and entreaties to pay for "featured" content, but this "pay bump" is easily driven over. So newsies rely on advertising. (I don't block ads on news sites - I do block flash). I visit the C.Trib site a couple times per week for a dose of political scandal, murder and mayhem. Since video and photos are available from myriad sources in near real time, "papers" don't have as much need for staff photographers. Photo quality is not as important as having the real time photo feed (or stock photos). That may suck but then so did being a buggy-horse motivator manufacturing specialist. -- "A Canadian is someone who knows how to have sex in a canoe." -Pierre Berton |
Another sign of the apocalypse
On 2013.06.01 13:31 , Tony Cooper wrote:
On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 12:45:41 -0400, Alan Browne wrote: On 2013.05.31 07:28 , Bowser wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/05...ff-photo-staff Short sighted, and stupid. The Chicago Tribune has been in financial straights over the last 10+ years and have dropped writers, editors, columnists, office staff, etc. Some newspapers have set up strong paywalls (The WSJ) and others weaker paywalls (NYT). Many (Chicago Trib and sister LA Times) have not gone there (The LA Times puts up obstacles and entreaties to pay for "featured" content, but this "pay bump" is easily driven over. So newsies rely on advertising. (I don't block ads on news sites - I do block flash). I visit the C.Trib site a couple times per week for a dose of political scandal, murder and mayhem. Since video and photos are available from myriad sources in near real time, "papers" don't have as much need for staff photographers. Photo quality is not as important as having the real time photo feed (or stock photos). That may suck but then so did being a buggy-horse motivator manufacturing specialist. The Tribune Company (a former employer of yours truly) also owns the Orlando Sentinel. The Sentinel has deteriorated over the past few years, but the parent company has been in bankruptcy and many of the changes have been forced. Back in the 60s, the Trib and the other Chicago newspapers used City News Bureau to gather local information to supplement the reporters employed by the Trib. I've been out of the loop (pun intended) for years, so I don't know if that's still the case. City News has an interesting history. Kurt Vonnegut worked for them at one time. It was City News that provided the reporting for the St Valentine's Day Massacre. Charles MacArthur, co-author of the play "The Front Page" based the story on his work at City News. Other former City News employees were Mike Royko (later a columnist for the Sun Times and the Trib), Seymour Hersh, David Horowitz and editorial cartoonist Herb Block (aka: Herblock). The image of the intrepid newspaper of the reporter in the pork-pie hat with a PRESS card in his hatband was really based on City News, not the newspapers. I was offered at job at City News, but turned it down. They paid less than the Trib, and the Trib paid peanuts. I knew some City News news gatherers. Every morning, when they reported to the office, they were given $2.00 in quarters for bus fare. Bus fare had to be accounted for, and any extra quarters had to be returned at end of day. The Trib paid us $5.00 a month in "shoe leather allowance". Trib management had a thing about run-down heels and unshined shoes. And what did you do there? -- "A Canadian is someone who knows how to have sex in a canoe." -Pierre Berton |
Another sign of the apocalypse
On Fri, 31 May 2013 05:08:34 -0700 (PDT), Noons wrote:
: On May 31, 9:28*pm, Bowser wrote: : http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/05...es-lays-off-ph... : : Short sighted, and stupid. : : buying "pro" equipment in the hope of looking like one? Indeed... Is that what they're telling their "freelancers" to do? I looked for it in the DPR article, but didn't find it. I'm looking forward to seeing how their new video emphasis plays out in print. Will it be of those arrangements where you riffle the edges of a stack of pages, and the pictures thereon appear to move? Too bad I don't live in Chicago. As a "freelancer", I could declare myself a photojournalist, with a considerable increase in prestige and (hypothetical) remuneration. (Stop laughing; it's not so far-fetched. I take pictures that find their way into a newspaper now and then.) I have a cousin, a retired journalist, who does live in Chicago. He was a reporter and editorial writer for the Sun-Times, but quit when Rupert Murdoch bought the paper, and went to work for the University of Illinois. I guess he won't be surprised by how things have played out. The one positive thing that can be said for what the S-T is doing is that the reproduction quality of photographs in most newspapers is so awful that it's not that easy to tell the work of a professional from that of a clueless newbie. Bob |
Another sign of the apocalypse
In article , Robert Coe
wrote: : http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/05...es-lays-off-ph... : : Short sighted, and stupid. : : buying "pro" equipment in the hope of looking like one? Indeed... Is that what they're telling their "freelancers" to do? I looked for it in the DPR article, but didn't find it. I'm looking forward to seeing how their new video emphasis plays out in print. Will it be of those arrangements where you riffle the edges of a stack of pages, and the pictures thereon appear to move? print is on its way out. people get their news online now for free, including both stills and video. it's also very difficult to monetize online news, although some do try with varying success. Too bad I don't live in Chicago. As a "freelancer", I could declare myself a photojournalist, with a considerable increase in prestige and (hypothetical) remuneration. (Stop laughing; it's not so far-fetched. I take pictures that find their way into a newspaper now and then.) I have a cousin, a retired journalist, who does live in Chicago. He was a reporter and editorial writer for the Sun-Times, but quit when Rupert Murdoch bought the paper, and went to work for the University of Illinois. I guess he won't be surprised by how things have played out. The one positive thing that can be said for what the S-T is doing is that the reproduction quality of photographs in most newspapers is so awful that it's not that easy to tell the work of a professional from that of a clueless newbie. and that's why they fired their photographers. why pay pros when you have ordinary people already on the scene who upload photos for free, and well before any pro can even get there, let alone get a photo? |
Another sign of the apocalypse
On 6/1/2013 7:23 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Robert Coe wrote: : http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/05...es-lays-off-ph... : : Short sighted, and stupid. : : buying "pro" equipment in the hope of looking like one? Indeed... Is that what they're telling their "freelancers" to do? I looked for it in the DPR article, but didn't find it. I'm looking forward to seeing how their new video emphasis plays out in print. Will it be of those arrangements where you riffle the edges of a stack of pages, and the pictures thereon appear to move? print is on its way out. people get their news online now for free, including both stills and video. it's also very difficult to monetize online news, although some do try with varying success. i PAY for my digital online subscriptions, at least the ones I read regularly. So do most of my friends. We have an old fashioned philosophy that if you use something, you ought to pay for it. -- PeterN |
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