Apple gives a new meaning to solid state.
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Apple gives a new meaning to solid state.
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10...013_teardowns/ more of the usual hypocritical bull****. how many people repair their own laptops? not very many. their claim that soldering components makes them more likely to break is also nonsense. soldering makes something *more* reliable than having sockets. many times it's the socket that fails, not the parts or board, so by eliminating the socket, you remove a point of failure. they bitch about the headphone jack being soldered to the logicboard, completely neglecting to mention that just about every radio, mp3 player and many other devices have headphone jacks soldered to the main board and they rarely break. it's a non-issue. another issue they mention is soldered memory, but that not unique to apple. windows ultrabooks do exactly the same thing and most people don't upgrade their memory after the fact anyway, so this too is a non-issue. they complain about the pentalobe screws, yet the appropriate tool is easily available for a few bucks. more of the same. but the biggest problem with that article is what it *doesn't* mention, and that is that microsoft's own surface tablets are just as difficult to repair, if not more so. there's a *very* high likelihood that you will break clips or ribbon cables, leaving you with a bunch of inoperable parts. |
Apple gives a new meaning to solid state.
On 2013.10.25, 19:43 , Eric Stevens wrote:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10...013_teardowns/ In one sense such design should improve reliability at the expense of owner upgradabilty and repairabilty. They've reduced component counts and simplified the design as much as possible - all point to higher reliability. OTOH it could all backfire on Apple - it is _very_ easy to install OS X in a wide number of non-Apple laptops and desktops. What's more important to me is the OS - not the hardware - if forced I could cobble together an OS X beast from bargain parts. OTOOH I have a strong suspicion that Apple will migrate to ARM processors for OS X within 5 - 10 years. I have 0 doubt that they have such beasts running in a locked up lab in Cupertino - just as they had intel Macs running for about 5 years before they switched away from PP processors. It might take 32 ARM cores to match a 4 core i7. "So be it" Apple will say. 32 ARM cores would be cheaper than a single i7. Further to that, the new Darth Vader Mac Pro gets _most_ of its 7 TFLOPS from the graphics processors - not the Xeon intel beast. -- "Quotation, n: The act of repeating erroneously the words of another." -Ambrose Bierce |
Apple gives a new meaning to solid state.
On 2013-10-25 23:52:54 +0000, RichA said:
On Friday, October 25, 2013 7:43:04 PM UTC-4, Eric Stevens wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10...013_teardowns/ -- Regards, Eric Stevens The densest electronics I've ever seen (discrete components) came from an F16 fighter plane flight control computer from the 1970's. The bulk of F-16s of the 1970's have been mothballed or are in the process of conversion to F-16QF, a supersonic target drone, and possibly a fully combat capable supersonic intruder. Which means the "dense" electronics of which you write have probably been long replaced in the current F-16E/F construction (it is still being built with variants sold World wide). The USAF plans to upgrade F-16's to an operational service life until at least 2025, and the 1970's electronics will seem quite quaint by then. -- Regards, Savageduck |
Apple gives a new meaning to solid state.
On 2013.10.25, 19:52 , RichA wrote:
On Friday, October 25, 2013 7:43:04 PM UTC-4, Eric Stevens wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10...013_teardowns/ -- Regards, Eric Stevens The densest electronics I've ever seen (discrete components) came from an F16 fighter plane flight control computer from the 1970's. snicker -- "Quotation, n: The act of repeating erroneously the words of another." -Ambrose Bierce |
Apple gives a new meaning to solid state.
On 10/25/2013 8:09 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Eric Stevens wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10...013_teardowns/ more of the usual hypocritical bull****. how many people repair their own laptops? not very many. their claim that soldering components makes them more likely to break is also nonsense. soldering makes something *more* reliable than having sockets. many times it's the socket that fails, not the parts or board, so by eliminating the socket, you remove a point of failure. they bitch about the headphone jack being soldered to the logicboard, completely neglecting to mention that just about every radio, mp3 player and many other devices have headphone jacks soldered to the main board and they rarely break. it's a non-issue. another issue they mention is soldered memory, but that not unique to apple. windows ultrabooks do exactly the same thing and most people don't upgrade their memory after the fact anyway, so this too is a non-issue. they complain about the pentalobe screws, yet the appropriate tool is easily available for a few bucks. more of the same. but the biggest problem with that article is what it *doesn't* mention, and that is that microsoft's own surface tablets are just as difficult to repair, if not more so. there's a *very* high likelihood that you will break clips or ribbon cables, leaving you with a bunch of inoperable parts. I don't know about 'most people,' but I paid Lenovo for 4 gig of memory, and bought 16 from Crucial, for much less than half the price Lenovo wanted to charge. The replacement took less than 15 minutes. I had the chance to see if I really needed the memory before I bought it, and saved money in the process. -- PeterN |
Apple gives a new meaning to solid state.
On 2013.10.25, 20:21 , Savageduck wrote:
On 2013-10-25 23:52:54 +0000, RichA said: On Friday, October 25, 2013 7:43:04 PM UTC-4, Eric Stevens wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10...013_teardowns/ -- Regards, Eric Stevens The densest electronics I've ever seen (discrete components) came from an F16 fighter plane flight control computer from the 1970's. The bulk of F-16s of the 1970's have been mothballed or are in the process of conversion to F-16QF, a supersonic target drone, and possibly a fully combat capable supersonic intruder. Which means the "dense" electronics of which you write have probably been long replaced in the current F-16E/F construction (it is still being built with variants sold World wide). The USAF plans to upgrade F-16's to an operational service life until at least 2025, and the 1970's electronics will seem quite quaint by then. Common denominators of military avionics: - by the time the aircraft is squadron ready, much of the electronic components are usually obsolete. This is lucrative for avionics suppliers as they get huge contracts to redesign F^3 boards and boxes to replace them. Likewise, spares orders are well beyond "practical" necessary because nobody wants to chance that a box can't be replaced. - software engineers are not allowed to retire. I know a few old fogies who are very well paid to maintain s/w written 30 years ago for the US, Canadian, Brit, Australian, Italian, Spanish, Dutch, Turkish, Japanese and other armed forces. These gents are well beyond standard retirement age - but enjoying the fact that they can take vacation on 7 seconds notice (that's 5 - 8 weeks per year, plus 2 weeks for Christmas - all paid, naturally). They do not "do" overtime. - entire boxes on F-16's from the 70's can be done on one FPGA - with room for added functionality. -- "Quotation, n: The act of repeating erroneously the words of another." -Ambrose Bierce |
Apple gives a new meaning to solid state.
On 2013.10.25, 20:35 , PeterN wrote:
I don't know about 'most people,' but I paid Lenovo for 4 gig of memory, and bought 16 from Crucial, for much less than half the price Lenovo wanted to charge. The replacement took less than 15 minutes. I had the chance to see if I really needed the memory before I bought it, and saved money in the process. I recently bought a new iMac with the minimum memory (8 GB). I bought another 16 GB from Crucial at a lower price than Apple charged for 8 more. Stuffing it into the iMac took about 3 minutes from shutdown to startup. 24 GB means never having to write to swap (esp. with the new OS 10.9 "Mavericks" as it appears Apple have done major improvements to memory management). -- "Quotation, n: The act of repeating erroneously the words of another." -Ambrose Bierce |
Apple gives a new meaning to solid state.
In article , Alan Browne
wrote: OTOOH I have a strong suspicion that Apple will migrate to ARM processors for OS X within 5 - 10 years. it definitely won't be 10 years and won't be 5 either. 1-2 years is more likely and i would not be surprised if it's sooner than later. I have 0 doubt that they have such beasts running in a locked up lab in Cupertino - just as they had intel Macs running for about 5 years before they switched away from PP processors. they had intel macs since before there was an os x. nextstep/openstep ran on intel back in the early 1990s and when apple bought next, it was ported it to powerpc while they maintained the intel version, but in secret, because they knew one day they'd switch processors. everything apple did, from os x to itunes and other apps, all had to build properly on a secret intel system and without the engineers knowing. It might take 32 ARM cores to match a 4 core i7. "So be it" Apple will say. 32 ARM cores would be cheaper than a single i7. they don't need to match it. not everyone needs the power of a 4 core i7. already, an ipad suffices for many ordinary tasks. a 12" ipad with a keyboard which can run recompiled mac applications is very possible right *now*. some have called this the ipad pro, now that the original ipad has been renamed to ipad air. the only issue is getting developer support, because without apps, it's useless. |
Apple gives a new meaning to solid state.
In article , PeterN
wrote: I don't know about 'most people,' but I paid Lenovo for 4 gig of memory, and bought 16 from Crucial, for much less than half the price Lenovo wanted to charge. The replacement took less than 15 minutes. I had the chance to see if I really needed the memory before I bought it, and saved money in the process. most people wouldn't know where to start to add their own memory. not everyone is a geek. now you decide at the time of purchase instead of later, and apple's prices aren't all that outrageous, assuming you compare the same type of memory. for instance, apple charges $100 more for 8 gig versus 4 gig on the 13" macbook pro retina. newegg has the same spec memory for $77. other sellers are a little higher. $20 to have it preinstalled and not need to deal with figuring out which chip to get, along with having everything warranted by one company so there isn't any question about what caused any problem that might occur, is well worth it. |
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