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DXOMark Mobile Phone Camera Quality of Results (the best known smarphone camera output QOR known to date)
Here is the DXOMark overall camera output QOR summary as of this week:
https://www.dxomark.com/category/mobile-reviews/ #1 = Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus & Huawei Mate 20 Pro & Huawei P20 Pro #2 = Xiaomi Mi 9 #3 = Apple iPhone XS Max #4 = Samsung Galaxy Note 9 & Xiaomi Mi MIX 3 & HTC U12+ #5 = Huawei P20 #6 = Google Pixel 3 & Apple iPhone XR #7 = Samsung Galaxy S9 Plus & Xiaomi Mi 8 #8 = Google Pixel 2 & OnePlus 6T #9 = Xiaomi Mi MIX 2S & Apple iPhone X & Huawei Mate 10 Pro #10 = OnePlus 6 The detailed itemized reviews are, of course, also on the web site. -- If you know of even _better_ smartphone review sites, please post them so that others benefit from your knowledge & wisdom. |
DXOMark Mobile Phone Camera Quality of Results (the best known smarphone camera output QOR known to date)
In article , Alfred
Molon wrote: Here is the DXOMark overall camera output QOR summary as of this week: https://www.dxomark.com/category/mobile-reviews/ #1 = Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus & Huawei Mate 20 Pro & Huawei P20 Pro #2 = Xiaomi Mi 9 #3 = Apple iPhone XS Max #4 = Samsung Galaxy Note 9 & Xiaomi Mi MIX 3 & HTC U12+ #5 = Huawei P20 #6 = Google Pixel 3 & Apple iPhone XR #7 = Samsung Galaxy S9 Plus & Xiaomi Mi 8 #8 = Google Pixel 2 & OnePlus 6T #9 = Xiaomi Mi MIX 2S & Apple iPhone X & Huawei Mate 10 Pro #10 = OnePlus 6 The detailed itemized reviews are, of course, also on the web site. Interesting that the Xiaomi phones are so good (even better than the iphones). dxo scores are completely meaningless and any differences among the cameras are insignificant. |
DXOMark Mobile Phone Camera Quality of Results (the best knownsmarphone camera output QOR known to date)
On 18/03/2019 19:37, Alfred Molon wrote:
In article , says... Here is the DXOMark overall camera output QOR summary as of this week: https://www.dxomark.com/category/mobile-reviews/ #1 = Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus & Huawei Mate 20 Pro & Huawei P20 Pro #2 = Xiaomi Mi 9 #3 = Apple iPhone XS Max #4 = Samsung Galaxy Note 9 & Xiaomi Mi MIX 3 & HTC U12+ #5 = Huawei P20 #6 = Google Pixel 3 & Apple iPhone XR #7 = Samsung Galaxy S9 Plus & Xiaomi Mi 8 #8 = Google Pixel 2 & OnePlus 6T #9 = Xiaomi Mi MIX 2S & Apple iPhone X & Huawei Mate 10 Pro #10 = OnePlus 6 The detailed itemized reviews are, of course, also on the web site. Interesting that the Xiaomi phones are so good (even better than the iphones). I would include technical innovation and camera features in my decision list, making my Pixel 3 #1 - LOL! -- Cheers, David Web: http://www.satsignal.eu |
DXOMark Mobile Phone Camera Quality of Results (the best knownsmarphone camera output QOR known to date)
On 3/18/2019 12:37 PM, Alfred Molon wrote:
snip Interesting that the Xiaomi phones are so good (even better than the iphones). All the phone manufacturers are able to buy the same cameras and lenses for their flagship phones. And the same screens and modems for that matter. So it's not surprising how close these phones are. My friend, a professional photographer and an Apple aficionado, has #3 on that list, a 512GB Xs Max. I have #4 on that list. If we traded phones, his photographs would still be far better than mine. Today I saw that the 512GB Samsung Note 9 is $749.99 at B&H https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1465768-REG and it includes a Samsung wireless charging pad (as well as the standard wired QC3.0 fast charger). An iPhone Xs Max 512GB with a fast charger, wireless charging pad, and USB-C to Lightning cable is $1,536.95 online (before tax). If I spent $1536.95 on a phone I would end up spending a lot more on a divorce lawyer. Even $750 is a lot to spend on a phone. I know that some people correctly claim that you could buy a very good compact camera for $750 (i.e. the Lumix TZ200) plus a $200 phone, and end up with much better quality photos, but for a lot of people a phone with a high-end camera is good enough and less hassle when traveling. Also look at prices in relation to the score. The S10 Plus and the Xs Max are the most expensive, the Xiaomi Mi 9 is the best deal if all you care about is the camera. Street $ per Model DXOMark Price DXOMark ------------------------------------------------------- Huawei Mate 20 Pro 128GB 109 816 7.49 Huawei P20 Pro 109 603 5.53 Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus 109 1000 9.17 Xiaomi Mi 9 128GB 107 550 5.14 Apple iPhone XS Max 64GB 105 1099 10.47 HTC U12+ 128GB 103 699 6.79 Samsung Galaxy Note 9 512GB 103 750 7.28 Xiaomi Mi MIX 3 128GB 103 539 5.23 Huawei P20 12GB 102 603 5.91 Apple iPhone XR 64GB 101 749 7.42 Google Pixel 3 64GB 101 599 5.93 For phones officially sold in the U.S. and that will work on the top tier carriers: Street $ per Model DXOMark Price DXOMark ------------------------------------------------------- Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus 109 1000 9.17 Apple iPhone XS Max 64GB 105 1099 10.47 HTC U12+ 128GB 103 699 6.79 Samsung Galaxy Note 9 512GB 103 750 7.28 Apple iPhone XR 64GB 101 749 7.42 Google Pixel 3 64GB 101 599 5.93 For phones officially sold in the U.S. and that will work on the top tier carriers and that have a MicroSD card slot and a headphone jack: Street $ per Model DXOMark Price DXOMark ------------------------------------------------------- Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus 109 1000 9.17 Samsung Galaxy Note 9 512GB 103 750 7.28 |
DXOMark Mobile Phone Camera Quality of Results (the best known smarphone camera output QOR known to date)
In article , sms
wrote: Interesting that the Xiaomi phones are so good (even better than the iphones). All the phone manufacturers are able to buy the same cameras and lenses for their flagship phones. And the same screens and modems for that matter. So it's not surprising how close these phones are. the parts are not exactly the same, particularly displays, but the real difference for cameras are the isps. |
DXOMark Mobile Phone Camera Quality of Results (the best known smarphone camera output QOR known to date)
On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 12:56:33 -0700, sms wrote:
All the phone manufacturers are able to buy the same cameras and lenses for their flagship phones. And the same screens and modems for that matter. So it's not surprising how close these phones are. Hi Steve, I agree with you that, if they don't make their own hardware, then they all have access to essentially the same hardware. Today I saw that the 512GB Samsung Note 9 is $749.99 at B&H Electronics generally follows the rule of better, faster, & cheaper. o Of course, Apple tries, with marketing, to reverse that trend. An iPhone Xs Max 512GB with a fast charger, wireless charging pad, and USB-C to Lightning cable is $1,536.95 online (before tax). Personally, I think Apple will fail to successfully maintain the current stratospheric prices, particularly when the general public realizes the mediocre performance of the Apple hardware (e.g., 5G) comes at an astronomical price point. I know that some people correctly claim that you could buy a very good compact camera for $750 (i.e. the Lumix TZ200) plus a $200 phone, and end up with much better quality photos, but for a lot of people a phone with a high-end camera is good enough and less hassle when traveling. I don't know if _any_ phone, what with that puny lens, could even approach the versatility & quality of a similarly priced SLR. Can they? To forestall nospam's incessantly idiotic worthless "yes", he'd have to give examples in order to be believed (nospam is allergic to actual facts). For phones officially sold in the U.S. and that will work on the top tier carriers and that have a MicroSD card slot and a headphone jack. Personally, the _lack_ of expansion memory & headphone jacks is a killer loss of basic functionality found in _all_ iPhones, unfortunately. Worse, the loss of removable batteries is happening even on Android. o Luckily, Android phones generally have better batteries than iPhones (in terms of the fact most current iPhone batteries are throttle "in about a year"). |
DXOMark Mobile Phone Camera Quality of Results (the best known smarphone camera output QOR known to date)
On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 20:18:28 -0000 (UTC), arlen holder wrote:
Personally, the _lack_ of expansion memory & headphone jacks is a killer loss of basic functionality found in _all_ iPhones, unfortunately. Before nospam gleefully jumps on that with his silly semantic games, I correct a minor omission above... Instead of... "the _lack_ of expansion memory & headphone jacks is a killer loss of basic functionality found in _all_ iPhones, unfortunately..." It should have been: *The _lack_ of expansion memory & headphone jacks is a killer loss of *basic functionality found in _current_ iPhones, unfortunately* |
DXOMark Mobile Phone Camera Quality of Results (the best known smarphone camera output QOR known to date)
On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 16:09:52 -0400, nospam wrote:
the parts are not exactly the same, particularly displays, but the real difference for cameras are the isps. Hi nospam, Generally you say only what would be found in an Apple Marketing Playbook o So it will be interesting how your words may match Apple Marketing Mantra Image Signal Processor: o Understanding Camera Optics & Smartphone Camera Trends https://www.anandtech.com/show/6777/understanding-camera-optics-smartphone-camera-trends/4 "Your 8 MP CMOS doesn¢t sense red green and blue for each pixel, it senses one color for each, then ISP guesses the color based on what¢s next to it. This is called demosaicing, and it¢s probably the primary job of ISP, and there are many secret sauce methods to computing this interpolated image. In addition ISP does all the other housekeeping, it controls autofocus, exposure, and white balance for the camera system. Recently correcting for lens imperfections like vignetting or color shading imparted by the imperfect lens system has been added, along with things like HDR recombining, noise reduction, other filtering, face or object detection, and conversion between color spaces. There¢s variance between the features that ISP does, but this is really the controller for getting that bayer data into a workable image array." Apparently there are 2 (or 3) ISP camps, where we _begin_ to see if nospam, predictably, pulls out a page directly from the Apple Marketing Playbook: "There are two divergent camps in smartphone camera UX *APPLE: Deliver almost no options* APPLE: Let the ISP and software configure everything automatically SAMSUNG: Offer nearly every option & toggle that makes sense to the user HTC: somewhere in-between" Since we often can read nospam's next move like the punchline of a Rodney Dangerfield joke, it's a pretty good guess that nospam is in the camp of whatever is in the Apple Marketing Playbook, which, according to the reference above, is in letting the ISP do everything for the user (leaving few to no options in the camera app itself). |
DXOMark Mobile Phone Camera Quality of Results (the best known smarphone camera output QOR known to date)
In article , arlen holder
wrote: the parts are not exactly the same, particularly displays, but the real difference for cameras are the isps. Generally you say only what would be found in an Apple Marketing Playbook o So it will be interesting how your words may match Apple Marketing Mantra isps have nothing whatsoever to do with apple in particular. Image Signal Processor: o Understanding Camera Optics & Smartphone Camera Trends https://www.anandtech.com/show/6777/...-smartphone-ca mera-trends/4 that's a 5 year old article. a lot has changed since then. "Your 8 MP CMOS doesn¢t sense red green and blue for each pixel, it senses one color for each, then ISP guesses the color based on what¢s next to it. it doesn't guess, plus that's how almost all camera sensors work. This is called demosaicing, and it¢s probably the primary job of ISP, that's actually a very minor part of the isp. portrait mode, night sight, panorama stitching, stabilization and various other effects are what sets one isp apart from another. |
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