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Ralf R. Radermacher March 29th 04 04:16 PM

The opposite of a close-up lens?
 
I've just found out that my new camera (Noblex 150E) is short-sighted by
design. Well, they call it "hyperfocal focussing". We don't even have a
word for this nonsense in German.

Pulled the first film through it, last weekend, and if there's anything
that really annoys me then it's landscape pictures which aren't
perfectly sharp at infinity.

Now, given that human short-sightedness can be corrected quite
satisfactorily with glasses, is there a possibility of doing the same
with a camera and what would be the effect on the optical performance?

Ralf

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jjs March 29th 04 08:11 PM

The opposite of a close-up lens?
 

"Ralf R. Radermacher" wrote in message
...
I've just found out that my new camera (Noblex 150E) is short-sighted by
design. Well, they call it "hyperfocal focussing". We don't even have a
word for this nonsense in German.


WissenschaftKameraobjektiv ungenau ?

Pulled the first film through it, last weekend, and if there's anything
that really annoys me then it's landscape pictures which aren't
perfectly sharp at infinity.


"Hyperfocal" - "The prime focal spot is somewhere between here and infinity
but we won't tell you where 'here' is."

Now, given that human short-sightedness can be corrected quite
satisfactorily with glasses, is there a possibility of doing the same
with a camera and what would be the effect on the optical performance?


Actually, the current treatment is to put a patch over good bad eye. Rather
bad news for a Cyclops, eh?

No help, certainly. I look forward to intelligent responses.



Bob Salomon March 29th 04 08:32 PM

The opposite of a close-up lens?
 
In article ,
"jjs" wrote:

No help, certainly. I look forward to intelligent responses.


The opposite of the close up lens is the minus lens series. To use them
you usually need a bellows focusing camera.

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brian March 29th 04 08:56 PM

The opposite of a close-up lens?
 
(Ralf R. Radermacher) wrote in message ...
I've just found out that my new camera (Noblex 150E) is short-sighted by
design. Well, they call it "hyperfocal focussing". We don't even have a
word for this nonsense in German.

Pulled the first film through it, last weekend, and if there's anything
that really annoys me then it's landscape pictures which aren't
perfectly sharp at infinity.

Now, given that human short-sightedness can be corrected quite
satisfactorily with glasses, is there a possibility of doing the same
with a camera and what would be the effect on the optical performance?

Ralf


Ralf:
I assume that you've got a "normalish" lens such as a Tessar with a
modest field of view. Depending on where the focus point is set, you
should be able to install a weak plano-concave or bi-concave negative
lens to regain true infinity focus. However, depending on the field
of view and f/# you may notice some off-axis degradation due to
astigmatism if the power gets much beyond 1/4 diopter. I would not
expect much change in on-axis performace even at large apertures. A
much better alternative, if its feasible with your camera, is to
refocus the lens. If you're lucky, the lens assembly will be threaded
into place and held fixed by a lockring.

Brian
www.caldwellphotographic.com

Ralf R. Radermacher March 29th 04 09:36 PM

The opposite of a close-up lens?
 
brian wrote:

I assume that you've got a "normalish" lens such as a Tessar with a
modest field of view.


It is in fact a Tessar type but at a focal length of 50 mm for a
medium-format camera it isn't exactly what one would call "normalish".

Ralf

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Winfried Buechsenschuetz March 29th 04 09:47 PM

The opposite of a close-up lens?
 
(Ralf R. Radermacher) wrote in message ...
I've just found out that my new camera (Noblex 150E) is short-sighted by
design. Well, they call it "hyperfocal focussing". We don't even have a
word for this nonsense in German.


In german this method sometimes is called 'Naheinstellung auf
unendlich'.

Now, given that human short-sightedness can be corrected quite
satisfactorily with glasses, is there a possibility of doing the same
with a camera and what would be the effect on the optical performance?


A close-up lens actually shortens the focal length of a given lens. In
your case you obviously have to make the focal length longer (as you
probably can't change the distance between lens and film plane). A
plano-concave or concave-concave lens would do the job. But as with
close-up lens, a poor additional lens will degrade the performance of
the original lens. A single negative lens is not achromatic and not
corrected for astigmatism and other aberrations.

Such lenses are not available as an accessory. Edmund Industrie Optik
makes 'negative achromats' in a wide variety of focal lengths, but of
course these come unmounted. By adding a 'weak' negative lens (i.e.
one with long - negative - focal length) you will get a longer focal
length of the complete system.

Winfried

jjs March 29th 04 10:37 PM

The opposite of a close-up lens?
 

"Ralf R. Radermacher" wrote in message
...
brian wrote:

I assume that you've got a "normalish" lens such as a Tessar with a
modest field of view.


It is in fact a Tessar type but at a focal length of 50 mm for a
medium-format camera it isn't exactly what one would call "normalish".


A 50mm WA on an old MF camera? Sounds like it's got the wrong lens!



Ralf R. Radermacher March 29th 04 10:58 PM

The opposite of a close-up lens?
 
jjs wrote:

A 50mm WA on an old MF camera? Sounds like it's got the wrong lens!


I do beg your pardon?

Ralf

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private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de
manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Feb. 23, 2004
Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses

jjs March 29th 04 11:14 PM

The opposite of a close-up lens?
 

"Ralf R. Radermacher" wrote in message
...
jjs wrote:

A 50mm WA on an old MF camera? Sounds like it's got the wrong lens!


I do beg your pardon?


Okay, I missed the post where you identified this camera. I thought it was
an old folder or something, and since it only has hyperfocal focusing, I
presumed it was an inexpensive camera, and I am ignorant of any old,
inexpensive Wide Angle fixed-focus cameras.

So, where are we now? What's the format again? 50mm? Brand? (I can't back up
to see the old message)



Ralf R. Radermacher March 29th 04 11:26 PM

The opposite of a close-up lens?
 
jjs wrote:

So, where are we now? What's the format again? 50mm? Brand?


Noblex 150E. 5 x 12 cm. Rotary lens panoramic camera using 120 film.

Ralf

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private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de
manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Feb. 23, 2004
Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses


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