Don't hang your Nikon with one of those silly bottom straps
 

One of the silliest accessories ever invented. You camera spins around
like a watch on a chain.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50315414

Don't hang your Nikon with one of those silly bottom straps
 

On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 00:29:54 -0600, Rich wrote:
: One of the silliest accessories ever invented. You camera spins around
: like a watch on a chain.
:
: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50315414

I've never used one, but a lot of people say they do. I've never read or heard
of this happening. Is the bottom of a D800 really so flimsy? You'd think that
the tripod socket would be attached to the frame (if any), just on general
principles.

Bob

Don't hang your Nikon with one of those silly bottom straps
 

On 2012-11-19 22:29:54 -0800, Rich said:

One of the silliest accessories ever invented. You camera spins around
like a watch on a chain.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50315414

There has to be more to this story. I have been using a BlackRapid
strap since 2009 with a D300+MB-D10 and a D300S+MB-D10. I have never
had this sort of issue. In my case the BlackRapid strap is attached to
the MB-D10 not the camera. However I have no doubt that the D300S
frame, or tripod socket bottom plate, would not be damaged in the way
described above.

As far as being the "One of the silliest accessories ever invented." I
consider it one of the greatest. The weight of a D300S+MB-D10 (probably
more weight there than a D600 or D800 without battery grip) on a
standard neck strap is literally "a pain in the neck".
When the camera isn't up at my eye it is at my hip, but I always find
myself holding the grip ready to swing it back into action. For
whatever reason I very seldom let it swing free as I always take into
account the possibility of impact with a stationary object.

The BlackRapid strap has made a day out shooting pleasurable, and I
don't have that ache in my neck and back that was always there when
using a neck strap.

I believe we have at least one other BR strap user in these
photo-groups, PeterN, there are probably others.

....and I still believe the guy with the damaged D800 in the dpforums
story hasn't told all.


--
Regards,

Savageduck

Don't hang your Nikon with one of those silly bottom straps
 

On 2012-11-20 09:23:46 -0800, Savageduck said:

On 2012-11-19 22:29:54 -0800, Rich said:

One of the silliest accessories ever invented. You camera spins around
like a watch on a chain.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50315414

There has to be more to this story. I have been using a BlackRapid
strap since 2009 with a D300+MB-D10 and a D300S+MB-D10. I have never
had this sort of issue. In my case the BlackRapid strap is attached to
the MB-D10 not the camera. However I have no doubt that the D300S
frame, or tripod socket bottom plate, would not be damaged in the way
described above.

As far as being the "One of the silliest accessories ever invented." I
consider it one of the greatest. The weight of a D300S+MB-D10 (probably
more weight there than a D600 or D800 without battery grip) on a
standard neck strap is literally "a pain in the neck".
When the camera isn't up at my eye it is at my hip, but I always find
myself holding the grip ready to swing it back into action. For
whatever reason I very seldom let it swing free as I always take into
account the possibility of impact with a stationary object.

The BlackRapid strap has made a day out shooting pleasurable, and I
don't have that ache in my neck and back that was always there when
using a neck strap.

I believe we have at least one other BR strap user in these
photo-groups, PeterN, there are probably others.

...and I still believe the guy with the damaged D800 in the dpforums
story hasn't told all.

I just checked the interior of my MB-D10 and there is a metal plate
supporting the tripod mount. I do not know the type of metal, but I
suspect that it is some sort of steel alloy. The BlackRapid strap has
been in constant use on this D300S + MB-D10 since January 2010. I
detect no distortion of any type.

Here is a quick snapshot (a mite bit fuzzy) of that interior of the
MB-D10, where you can see the mount and reinforcing plate.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...B-interior.JPG


--
Regards,

Savageduck

Don't hang your Nikon with one of those silly bottom straps
 

Savageduck wrote:
On 2012-11-19 22:29:54 -0800, Rich said:

One of the silliest accessories ever invented. You camera spins around
like a watch on a chain.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50315414

There has to be more to this story. I have been using a BlackRapid
strap since 2009 with a D300+MB-D10 and a D300S+MB-D10. I have never
had this sort of issue. In my case the BlackRapid strap is attached to
the MB-D10 not the camera. However I have no doubt that the D300S
frame, or tripod socket bottom plate, would not be damaged in the way
described above.

As far as being the "One of the silliest accessories ever invented." I
consider it one of the greatest. The weight of a D300S+MB-D10 (probably
more weight there than a D600 or D800 without battery grip) on a
standard neck strap is literally "a pain in the neck".
When the camera isn't up at my eye it is at my hip, but I always find
myself holding the grip ready to swing it back into action. For
whatever reason I very seldom let it swing free as I always take into
account the possibility of impact with a stationary object.

The BlackRapid strap has made a day out shooting pleasurable, and I
don't have that ache in my neck and back that was always there when
using a neck strap.

I believe we have at least one other BR strap user in these
photo-groups, PeterN, there are probably others.

...and I still believe the guy with the damaged D800 in the dpforums
story hasn't told all.

The original poster was using a Sun Sniper strap. Seems to use a
different and smaller method of attachment to body via tripod socket
than the Black Rapid. The tripod thread is designed to take a plate
which is pulled by the screw into the base of the camera thus
distributing the bending moments over a larger area of the camera
base. The size of the strap mounting plate may the crucial factor.

I also note the force applied to the camera base by these straps is in
the opposite direction to that applied by the camera sitting on a
tripod. On a tripod the weight of the lens pushes the camera body down
into the front of the baseplate. On a strap the lens weight pulls it
away.

Might it not be the case that Nikon have designed a tripod mounting
area strong in that kind of typical front compression but weaker in
tension?

--
Chris Malcolm

Don't hang your Nikon with one of those silly bottom straps
 

On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 09:23:46 -0800, Savageduck
wrote:

I believe we have at least one other BR strap user in these
photo-groups, PeterN, there are probably others.

FWIW, I've been using one mostly on my bare D200, but occasionally on
my bare D300 with no such issues. I'm not in love with it as much as
you are as I believe it allows the camera to bounce too much too
easily. This type of loading will cause an amplification of the forces
compared to static loading.But so far the tradeoff in terms of
ease/speed of getting the camera into position to shoot has outweighed
this negative for me with the 18-200mm attached.

Don't hang your Nikon with one of those silly bottom straps
 

On 2012.11.20 13:53 , Chris Malcolm wrote:
I also note the force applied to the camera base by these straps is in
the opposite direction to that applied by the camera sitting on a
tripod. On a tripod the weight of the lens pushes the camera body down
into the front of the baseplate. On a strap the lens weight pulls it
away.

A "bad" (and useful, practical and convenient) practice is to carry a
tripod with the camera and lens attached. Been doing that for over 20
years. In that case the camera body and lens weight are all through the
tripod socket.

I'm betting this guy pranged his camera on something and he isn't telling.


--
"There were, unfortunately, no great principles on which parties
were divided – politics became a mere struggle for office."
-Sir John A. Macdonald

Don't hang your Nikon with one of those silly bottom straps
 

On 2012-11-20 13:35:46 -0800, me said:

On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 09:23:46 -0800, Savageduck
wrote:

I believe we have at least one other BR strap user in these
photo-groups, PeterN, there are probably others.

FWIW, I've been using one mostly on my bare D200, but occasionally on
my bare D300 with no such issues. I'm not in love with it as much as
you are as I believe it allows the camera to bounce too much too
easily. This type of loading will cause an amplification of the forces
compared to static loading.But so far the tradeoff in terms of
ease/speed of getting the camera into position to shoot has outweighed
this negative for me with the 18-200mm attached.

I almost never let my camera swing free. My right hand is usually on
the camera grip to stop the free swing and unwelcome impact with any
other hard surface. I can easily bring the camera into play whenever
needed.

Also being attached to the MB-D10 tripod mount I would expect a failure
there rather than on the camera body. It has yet to happen.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

Don't hang your Nikon with one of those silly bottom straps
 

On 2012-11-20 14:21:49 -0800, Alan Browne
said:

On 2012.11.20 13:53 , Chris Malcolm wrote:
I also note the force applied to the camera base by these straps is in
the opposite direction to that applied by the camera sitting on a
tripod. On a tripod the weight of the lens pushes the camera body down
into the front of the baseplate. On a strap the lens weight pulls it
away.

A "bad" (and useful, practical and convenient) practice is to carry a
tripod with the camera and lens attached. Been doing that for over 20
years. In that case the camera body and lens weight are all through the
tripod socket.

I'm betting this guy pranged his camera on something and he isn't telling .

Ya think!!

--
Regards,

Savageduck

Don't hang your Nikon with one of those silly bottom straps
 

Robert Coe wrote in
:

On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 00:29:54 -0600, Rich wrote:
: One of the silliest accessories ever invented. You camera spins
: around like a watch on a chain.
:
: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50315414

I've never used one, but a lot of people say they do. I've never read
or heard of this happening. Is the bottom of a D800 really so flimsy?
You'd think that the tripod socket would be attached to the frame (if
any), just on general principles.

Bob


I don't know how Nikon does it, but some tripod sockets are nothing but
thin stamped steel inserts that are attached to the bottom with two tiny
screws.