RAW and ISO settings
 

Does anyone understand what are the mechanics behind the ISO settings
for RAW images?

Len

On 11 Jul 2005 08:30:09 -0700, "
wrote:

wrote:

Does anyone understand what are the mechanics behind the ISO settings
for RAW images?

Yes, I understand them. At least for the Canon 1D Mark II: there are
three buttons, a finger wheel, and a thumb wheel. Maybe the Nikon D70s
has the Telepathic Adaptor which can lock onto the mind of the
photographer, thus dispensing with these crude mechanical implements?


I think the poster was asking a more generalized question than you
responded to, but hey, who am I to stop you from making a jerk of
yourself.

Usually the lowest ISO setting of your digital camera is going to be
where you get the best picture with the lowest noise. Higher settings
are amplified, I believe, so noise is increased.

They are only in increments of 100, 200, 400 to remain reciprocal with
shutter speed and aperture settings.

McLeod wrote:
On 11 Jul 2005 08:30:09 -0700, "
wrote:

wrote:

Does anyone understand what are the mechanics behind the ISO
settings for RAW images?

Yes, I understand them. At least for the Canon 1D Mark II: there
are three buttons, a finger wheel, and a thumb wheel. Maybe the
Nikon D70s has the Telepathic Adaptor which can lock onto the mind
of the photographer, thus dispensing with these crude mechanical
implements?


I think the poster was asking a more generalized question than you
responded to, but hey, who am I to stop you from making a jerk of
yourself.

Usually the lowest ISO setting of your digital camera is going to be
where you get the best picture with the lowest noise. Higher
settings
are amplified, I believe, so noise is increased.

They are only in increments of 100, 200, 400 to remain reciprocal
with
shutter speed and aperture settings.

I think the OP was asking how changing the ISO setting affects how the
camera responds to a light stream striking the sensor when the camera
is set to record raw images.

I don't know.

--
Frank ess

McLeod wrote:

Does anyone understand what are the mechanics behind the ISO settings
for RAW images?

Yes, I understand them. At least for the Canon 1D Mark II: there are
three buttons, a finger wheel, and a thumb wheel. Maybe the Nikon D70s
has the Telepathic Adaptor which can lock onto the mind of the
photographer, thus dispensing with these crude mechanical implements?

I think the poster was asking a more generalized question than you
responded to, but hey, who am I to stop you from making a jerk of
yourself.

You "think"?

Usually the lowest ISO setting of your digital camera is going to be
where you get the best picture with the lowest noise. Higher settings
are amplified, I believe, so noise is increased.

You "believe"?

They are only in increments of 100, 200, 400 to remain reciprocal with
shutter speed and aperture settings.

Well, you have offered two speculations and one error of fact. And you
accuse me of making a 'jerk of myself' for correctly answering his
question as written? Nitwit.

On 11 Jul 2005 14:34:04 -0700, "
wrote:

Well, you have offered two speculations and one error of fact. And you
accuse me of making a 'jerk of myself' for correctly answering his
question as written? Nitwit.

And yet I have still contributed more than you. Unless you consider
your original answer serious.

McLeod wrote:

wrote:

Well, you have offered two speculations and one error of fact. And you
accuse me of making a 'jerk of myself' for correctly answering his
question as written? Nitwit.

And yet I have still contributed more than you.

Only a dingbat can consider an error a 'contribution'.

Unless you consider your original answer serious.

The OP asks if "anyone" "understands" the "mechanics" of ISO settings
and RAW images.

I answered, correctly, that I do for my particular camera. I outlined
the answer; I can elaborate if anyone wishes. Now if the OP had
_another_ question in mind, he is certainly free to post it.

Now then, what _is_ your excuse? Or are you just being deliberately
wonky for entertainment purposes?

Sorry, I realize now that the original message was not "descriptive"
enough.

How ISO works on film is rather "material" - the grain of ISO 400
compared to let's say 50, has a different, more corse structure.

But how does it work for RAW in digital storage? "Approximation"
algorithms are not supposed to be applied and whatever light reaches
it should be recorded no matter what ISO is.

Any ideas?

On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:15:12 -0400, wrote:


Does anyone understand what are the mechanics behind the ISO settings
for RAW images?

Len

In article ,
McLeod wrote:
On 11 Jul 2005 08:30:09 -0700, "
wrote:

wrote:

Does anyone understand what are the mechanics behind the ISO settings
for RAW images?

Yes, I understand them. At least for the Canon 1D Mark II: there are
three buttons, a finger wheel, and a thumb wheel. Maybe the Nikon D70s
has the Telepathic Adaptor which can lock onto the mind of the
photographer, thus dispensing with these crude mechanical implements?

It depends on the camera. The Nikon D70 has an "AUTO-ISO" mode
(selected from the menu), in which, first the camera attempts to select
an appropriate shutter speed and aperture at the base ISO of 200, and if
that does not achieve the desired effect, it then increments the ISO
until a "reasonable" combination of shutter speed and aperture are
possible -- or until it gives up at the top ISO.

Menu entry 21 allows you to select a "floor" shutter speed, from
1/60 of a second down to 30 seconds, depending on what your needs are.
Yes, a higher floor would be nice with longer lenses, but with longer
focal lengths you are somewhat more likely to be using a Nikon VR lens
("Vibration Reduction" the equivalent of Cannon's IS "Image
Stabilization").

I think the poster was asking a more generalized question than you
responded to, but hey, who am I to stop you from making a jerk of
yourself.

Usually the lowest ISO setting of your digital camera is going to be
where you get the best picture with the lowest noise. Higher settings
are amplified, I believe, so noise is increased.

They are only in increments of 100, 200, 400 to remain reciprocal with
shutter speed and aperture settings.

Here, again, this is camera dependent. It may be so with your
Cannons, though I don't know, as I've not used one. However, the Nikon
D70 allows ISOs in the following steps:

200, 250, 320
400, 500, 640
800, 1000, 1250
1600

Rather finer steps than those which you listed, but the D70
adjusts exposures in 1/3 stop increments.

As for the mechanism of the actual ISO changes, it is
accomplished by one or more variable gain stages between the analog
sensor cells and the A/D converter(s) which feed the digital signals
into the camera's buffer memory. I don't know the count of A/D
converters, but I would expect multiple ones, each allocated to a
subgroup of sensors, so the A/D conversion could be accoplished at least
partially in parallel, to speed up the process, and thus to clear the
camera's sensor for the next shot more quickly.

Enjoy,
DoN.
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But how does it work for RAW in digital storage? "Approximation"
algorithms are not supposed to be applied and whatever light reaches
it should be recorded no matter what ISO is.

Any ideas?

The signal is amplified to reach the desired level.

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Jeremy |