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As long as it works well, $300 doesn't seem too bad. Then again,
people who already use meters might have a more useful opinion.

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Savageduck wrote:


https://petapixel.com/2017/05/10/ill...oth-light-colo
r-meter/

very cool.

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There are smartphone aps that claim to do something similar. No idea
how accurate they are.

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On 2017-05-11 20:30:30 +0000, charles said:

On Wed, 10 May 2017 14:37:09 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

https://petapixel.com/2017/05/10/illuminati-worlds-first-bluetooth-light-color-meter/


There

are smartphone aps that claim to do something similar. No idea
how accurate they are.

I have a lightmeter app, *FotometerV2* for my iPhone, and it does a
somewhat reasonable job, but considering it is using the camera lenses
I wouldn't call it a replacement for a good incident light meter such
as a Sekonic, it probably has somewhat questionable accuracy.

The *Illuminati* uses a measuring device that is separate from the
phone, and only uses the CPU in the phone to make calculations based on
the input from the measuring device. I would say the potential as an
accurate light meter for the *Illuminati* is high. however, until it is
properly road tested we are not going to know for sure. That said,
compared to a Sekonic, in price and performance it looks very promising.
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On Thu, 11 May 2017 13:59:34 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2017-05-11 20:30:30 +0000, charles said:

On Wed, 10 May 2017 14:37:09 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

https://petapixel.com/2017/05/10/illuminati-worlds-first-bluetooth-light-color-meter/


There

are smartphone aps that claim to do something similar. No idea
how accurate they are.

I have a lightmeter app, *FotometerV2* for my iPhone, and it does a
somewhat reasonable job, but considering it is using the camera lenses
I wouldn't call it a replacement for a good incident light meter such
as a Sekonic, it probably has somewhat questionable accuracy.

The *Illuminati* uses a measuring device that is separate from the
phone, and only uses the CPU in the phone to make calculations based on
the input from the measuring device. I would say the potential as an
accurate light meter for the *Illuminati* is high. however, until it is
properly road tested we are not going to know for sure. That said,
compared to a Sekonic, in price and performance it looks very promising.


I still have a Luna Pro SBC and a Soligor spot meter from back in the
days when it mattered. For me, now, auto exposure works well enough.

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On 2017-05-11 21:31:29 +0000, charles said:

On Thu, 11 May 2017 13:59:34 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2017-05-11 20:30:30 +0000, charles said:

On Wed, 10 May 2017 14:37:09 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

https://petapixel.com/2017/05/10/illuminati-worlds-first-bluetooth-light-color-meter/


There

are

smartphone aps that claim to do something similar. No idea
how accurate they are.

I have a lightmeter app, *FotometerV2* for my iPhone, and it does a
somewhat reasonable job, but considering it is using the camera lenses
I wouldn't call it a replacement for a good incident light meter such
as a Sekonic, it probably has somewhat questionable accuracy.

The *Illuminati* uses a measuring device that is separate from the
phone, and only uses the CPU in the phone to make calculations based on
the input from the measuring device. I would say the potential as an
accurate light meter for the *Illuminati* is high. however, until it is
properly road tested we are not going to know for sure. That said,
compared to a Sekonic, in price and performance it looks very promising.


I still have a Luna Pro SBC and a Soligor spot meter from back in the
days when it mattered. For me, now, auto exposure works well enough.

I would say everything is going to depend on the needs of the
photographer, and the type of shooting he/she does.
For me, the metering done by the camera does a great job. However,
there are times when the camera metering will fail you, or there is
little choice but to go full manual and the assistance of a good
incident/spot light is going to be invaluable. Consider shooting in a
studio with variable artificial lighting, or outdoors using ND filters.
--
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Savageduck

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On Thu, 11 May 2017 14:31:29 -0700, charles wrote:

On Thu, 11 May 2017 13:59:34 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2017-05-11 20:30:30 +0000, charles said:

On Wed, 10 May 2017 14:37:09 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

https://petapixel.com/2017/05/10/illuminati-worlds-first-bluetooth-light-color-meter/


There

are smartphone aps that claim to do something similar. No idea
how accurate they are.

I have a lightmeter app, *FotometerV2* for my iPhone, and it does a
somewhat reasonable job, but considering it is using the camera lenses
I wouldn't call it a replacement for a good incident light meter such
as a Sekonic, it probably has somewhat questionable accuracy.

The *Illuminati* uses a measuring device that is separate from the
phone, and only uses the CPU in the phone to make calculations based on
the input from the measuring device. I would say the potential as an
accurate light meter for the *Illuminati* is high. however, until it is
properly road tested we are not going to know for sure. That said,
compared to a Sekonic, in price and performance it looks very promising.


I still have a Luna Pro SBC and a Soligor spot meter from back in the
days when it mattered. For me, now, auto exposure works well enough.

My first exposure meter was a crud thing using a stepped optical
wedge. Read the lowest number you could see and feed it into the
calculator on the back of the device and that gave you an
approximation to the intensity of the light being reflected from the
subject.

I quickly upgraded to a Weston II with an incident light attachment.
This measured the intensity of the light falling on the subject and
the calculator gave you an exposure which would best capture the range
of intensity of the light being reflected from the subject. [The
Sekonic came along at about that time but I decided that for my
purposes it was more of a status symbol than a useful tool.]

All of these became redundant with advent of the digital camera. No
longer do I have to use one form of estimation or another to determine
the exposure to suit the light being reflected by the subject. All of
the digital cameras I have used over the years have directly measured
the range of light intensity being reflected by the subject and
directly calculated the necessary exposure settings to be used by the
camera. No more estimation: an exact measurement and calculation. And
of course I can always adjust the exposure up or down to suit my
intention.

As far as I can see, these days, the only real use for an incident
light meter is to assist with the setting of studio lighting.
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Eric Stevens

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On 2017-05-11 23:20:22 +0000, Eric Stevens said:

On Thu, 11 May 2017 14:31:29 -0700, charles wrote:

On Thu, 11 May 2017 13:59:34 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2017-05-11 20:30:30 +0000, charles said:

On Wed, 10 May 2017 14:37:09 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

https://petapixel.com/2017/05/10/illuminati-worlds-first-bluetooth-light-color-meter/


There

are

smartphone aps that claim to do something similar. No idea
how accurate they are.

I have a lightmeter app, *FotometerV2* for my iPhone, and it does a
somewhat reasonable job, but considering it is using the camera lenses
I wouldn't call it a replacement for a good incident light meter such
as a Sekonic, it probably has somewhat questionable accuracy.

The *Illuminati* uses a measuring device that is separate from the
phone, and only uses the CPU in the phone to make calculations based on
the input from the measuring device. I would say the potential as an
accurate light meter for the *Illuminati* is high. however, until it is
properly road tested we are not going to know for sure. That said,
compared to a Sekonic, in price and performance it looks very promising.


I still have a Luna Pro SBC and a Soligor spot meter from back in the
days when it mattered. For me, now, auto exposure works well enough.

My first exposure meter was a crud thing using a stepped optical
wedge. Read the lowest number you could see and feed it into the
calculator on the back of the device and that gave you an
approximation to the intensity of the light being reflected from the
subject.

I quickly upgraded to a Weston II with an incident light attachment.
This measured the intensity of the light falling on the subject and
the calculator gave you an exposure which would best capture the range
of intensity of the light being reflected from the subject. [The
Sekonic came along at about that time but I decided that for my
purposes it was more of a status symbol than a useful tool.]

All of these became redundant with advent of the digital camera. No
longer do I have to use one form of estimation or another to determine
the exposure to suit the light being reflected by the subject. All of
the digital cameras I have used over the years have directly measured
the range of light intensity being reflected by the subject and
directly calculated the necessary exposure settings to be used by the
camera. No more estimation: an exact measurement and calculation. And
of course I can always adjust the exposure up or down to suit my
intention.

As far as I can see, these days, the only real use for an incident
light meter is to assist with the setting of studio lighting.

....or when using ND1000, or combos of ND/ND grad filters, necessitating
manual exposure, and calculating long exposures. That is about the only
time I can see I would need one today as I don't do any studio work
with artificial lighting and/or gels.

Like you 99% of my shooting depends on the AE capability of my cameras.
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On 5/11/2017 6:28 PM, Savageduck wrote:

snip


I would say everything is going to depend on the needs of the
photographer, and the type of shooting he/she does.
For me, the metering done by the camera does a great job. However, there
are times when the camera metering will fail you, or there is little
choice but to go full manual and the assistance of a good incident/spot
light is going to be invaluable. Consider shooting in a studio with
variable artificial lighting, or outdoors using ND filters.

I use the average reading from the meter, and then a quick calculation
to adjust for the ND filter.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vnu51qaq5bepdxm/nubble%203475.jpg?dl=0

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In article 2017051115282110289-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck
says...
However,
there are times when the camera metering will fail you, or there is
little choice but to go full manual and the assistance of a good
incident/spot light is going to be invaluable. Consider shooting in a
studio with variable artificial lighting, or outdoors using ND filters.

Not sure I understand why you would need an external metering device in
such cases. Can't you just take the shot and if it comes over- or
underexposed, simply adjust the exposure and retake the shot?
--
Alfred Molon

Olympus E-series DSLRs and micro 4/3 forum at
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/
http://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site

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In article , Alfred
Molon wrote:

However,
there are times when the camera metering will fail you, or there is
little choice but to go full manual and the assistance of a good
incident/spot light is going to be invaluable. Consider shooting in a
studio with variable artificial lighting, or outdoors using ND filters.

Not sure I understand why you would need an external metering device in
such cases. Can't you just take the shot and if it comes over- or
underexposed, simply adjust the exposure and retake the shot?

a lot of times, there is no retaking the shot.

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On 2017-05-12 18:29:36 +0000, Alfred Molon said:

In article 2017051115282110289-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck
says...
However,
there are times when the camera metering will fail you, or there is
little choice but to go full manual and the assistance of a good
incident/spot light is going to be invaluable. Consider shooting in a
studio with variable artificial lighting, or outdoors using ND filters.

Not sure I understand why you would need an external metering device in
such cases. Can't you just take the shot and if it comes over- or
underexposed, simply adjust the exposure and retake the shot?

For many photographers there is a concept called "getting it right".
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Savageduck

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On 12/05/2017 19:40, Savageduck wrote:
On 2017-05-12 18:29:36 +0000, Alfred Molon said:
[]
Not sure I understand why you would need an external metering device in
such cases. Can't you just take the shot and if it comes over- or
underexposed, simply adjust the exposure and retake the shot?

For many photographers there is a concept called "getting it right".

.... and "right" is what the camera produces, not what some incident
light meter tells you. You may want some special effect (e.g. sunsets,
night shots...).

Colour temperature metering could be of interest, though, and possibly
studio photography, which is not something I do.

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David
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On 2017-05-13 07:24:58 +0000, David Taylor
said:

On 12/05/2017 19:40, Savageduck wrote:
On 2017-05-12 18:29:36 +0000, Alfred Molon said:
[]
Not sure I understand why you would need an external metering device in
such cases. Can't you just take the shot and if it comes over- or
underexposed, simply adjust the exposure and retake the shot?

For many photographers there is a concept called "getting it right".

... and "right" is what the camera produces, not what some incident
light meter tells you. You may want some special effect (e.g. sunsets,
night shots...).

It is for those odd times and special effects when the camera isn't
necessarily reliable thay an incident meter becomes useful.

The outdoor/landscape scenario I can think of is using ND filters such
as a Lee Big Stopper for long exposure shots. A lightmeter can make
those calculations much more precisely than the guess work when
depending on the camera which isn't going to meter accurately behind a
10 stop ND.

Colour temperature metering could be of interest, though, and possibly
studio photography, which is not something I do.


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In article 2017051211401737879-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck
says...
Not sure I understand why you would need an external metering device in
such cases. Can't you just take the shot and if it comes over- or
underexposed, simply adjust the exposure and retake the shot?

For many photographers there is a concept called "getting it right".

I thought that meant being able to get a good out of camera JPEG,
without having to tweak a lot in post-processing.

I mean, if you are there in the field, take the shot, notice that it is
not properly exposed, what prevents you from retaking it with the right
exposure?
You might not always have this perfect external metering device with
you...

BTW, in an online forum I saw a post of a traitor who defected from the
Fuji X-T2 to the Olympus E-M1 II ;-)
--
Alfred Molon

Olympus E-series DSLRs and micro 4/3 forum at
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/
http://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site

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On 2017-05-13 09:39:09 +0000, Alfred Molon said:

In article 2017051211401737879-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck
says...
Not sure I understand why you would need an external metering device in
such cases. Can't you just take the shot and if it comes over- or
underexposed, simply adjust the exposure and retake the shot?

For many photographers there is a concept called "getting it right".

I thought that meant being able to get a good out of camera JPEG,
without having to tweak a lot in post-processing.

Yes, there is that concept. I try my best with the best tool I have and
that is usually the camera.

I mean, if you are there in the field, take the shot, notice that it is
not properly exposed, what prevents you from retaking it with the right
exposure?

Sometimes there is only an opportunity for a single shot. These days
many folks try to ensure capturing that the "Magnificent Miracle" shot
by using AE bracketing. Sometimes that is enough, sometimes it isn't.
There are also times when your only option is to go full manual,
including manual exposure. Those are times when without a lightmeter,
one has to make those calculations through experience, or dumb luck. It
is something many do, I certainly have.

You might not always have this perfect external metering device with
you...

To tell the truth, I haven't carried, or used a lightmeter in some 40+ years.

However, I can appreciate there are times when lighting, or the
addition of filters can make TLL metering questionable, and I could do
with the assistance of a lightmeter. I also understand that today, most
shooters have no idea that a tool such as a lightmeter even exists.

BTW, in an online forum I saw a post of a traitor who defected from the
Fuji X-T2 to the Olympus E-M1 II ;-)

That happens. It also happens the other way along with changes made by
the faithful of other brands. There are also shooters who shoot with a
mix of cameras. Personally I am more that happy with my X-T2, and the
Fujinon glass, just as I am sure there shooters who are going to be
happy with their E-M1 II.
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