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Peter October 4th 05 01:13 PM


Floyd Davidson wrote:
"Peter" wrote:

Amateur radio operators often use "c.w." as a kind
of informal short form for radiotelegraphy. It isn't
what it actually means.


Ahem... that is *precisely* what it means!


I should have known better than":

a) cite an example outside my own but in anothers'
field of expertise.

b) take position which is frequent result of flamewar
as somehow authoritative

Peter.
--



Jan Böhme October 4th 05 03:08 PM

Jeremy Nixon wrote:
Chris Brown wrote:

It's entirely unclear why you think this usage has "almost certainly
been destroyed beyond hope of recovery". If a cricket-nerd uses it,
it will be obvious from context which version they are talking
about, hence there is to be no confusion.


Do you really think that, even in the nerdiest of cricket-nerd circles,
anyone can ever again use that word without everyone who hears him
thinking of the "new" meaning?


Well, cricketeers have for a very long time used the very common
everyday word "silly" in a specialised, technical sense. Yet, it would
seem that nobody who has ever been within four foot of a cricket bat,
believes that the silly mid-off position is any more inherently stupid
than plain old mid-off.

With "google" there wouldn't be a theoretical chans to confuse the
everyday sense with the technical one. So why would you think
cricketeers would stop using it?

Jan B=F6hme


David Littlewood October 4th 05 04:43 PM

In article .com, Jan
Böhme writes

Well, cricketeers have for a very long time used the very common
everyday word "silly" in a specialised, technical sense. Yet, it would
seem that nobody who has ever been within four foot of a cricket bat,
believes that the silly mid-off position is any more inherently stupid
than plain old mid-off.

In the days before head protectors and boxes became universal, I think
anyone fielding at silly mid-off, or silly mid-on, or silly point, would
know exactly why the distinction was made.

David
--
David Littlewood

Siddhartha Jain October 4th 05 06:37 PM


Jan B=F6hme wrote:
Jeremy Nixon wrote:
Chris Brown wrote:

It's entirely unclear why you think this usage has "almost certainly
been destroyed beyond hope of recovery". If a cricket-nerd uses it,
it will be obvious from context which version they are talking
about, hence there is to be no confusion.


Do you really think that, even in the nerdiest of cricket-nerd circles,
anyone can ever again use that word without everyone who hears him
thinking of the "new" meaning?


Well, cricketeers have for a very long time used the very common
everyday word "silly" in a specialised, technical sense. Yet, it would
seem that nobody who has ever been within four foot of a cricket bat,
believes that the silly mid-off position is any more inherently stupid
than plain old mid-off.

With "google" there wouldn't be a theoretical chans to confuse the
everyday sense with the technical one. So why would you think
cricketeers would stop using it?
=20
Jan B=F6hme


Cricketers even :)

- Siddhartha


DoN. Nichols October 4th 05 07:56 PM

According to Floyd Davidson :
"Peter" wrote:

Amateur radio operators often use "c.w." as a kind
of informal short form for radiotelegraphy. It isn't
what it actually means.


[ ... ]

Here is the technical definition of "continious wave", according
to the FTC 1037C Standards, available at

http://www.its.bldrdoc.gov/fs-1037/fs-1037c.htm

continuous wave (cw): A wave of constant amplitude and
constant frequency.

Clearly it means a transmission that is neither amplitude,
frequency, nor phase modulated. Any such modulation necessarily
must cause a discontinuity in the wave. The only thing you can
do is turn it on and off... which is called radio telegraphy!


Well ... to *my* mind, even keying (turning on and off) is a
form of amplitude modulation -- a rather extreme one at 100% modulation.

And it is certainly causing a discontinuity in the wave.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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Bill Funk October 4th 05 08:57 PM

On 4 Oct 2005 18:56:56 GMT, (DoN. Nichols) wrote:

Clearly it means a transmission that is neither amplitude,
frequency, nor phase modulated. Any such modulation necessarily
must cause a discontinuity in the wave. The only thing you can
do is turn it on and off... which is called radio telegraphy!


Well ... to *my* mind, even keying (turning on and off) is a
form of amplitude modulation -- a rather extreme one at 100% modulation.

And it is certainly causing a discontinuity in the wave.

Enjoy,
DoN.


Years ago, when I started my hobby of listening, there were several
people who put forth the same argument.
The resounding response was: NO!
When the key is off, there's no wave present; you can't modulate
something that isn't present.
So, no, it's not a form of modulation.
It *is*, though, a form of data transmission. :-)

--
Bill Funk
Replace "g" with "a"
funktionality.blogspot.com

no_name October 5th 05 12:19 AM

Jan Böhme wrote:


With "google" there wouldn't be a theoretical chans to confuse the
everyday sense with the technical one. So why would you think
cricketeers would stop using it?


I thought the word in cricket was "googlie".

[email protected] October 5th 05 01:38 AM

no_name wrote:
Jan B=F6hme wrote:

With "google" there wouldn't be a theoretical chans to confuse the
everyday sense with the technical one. So why would you think
cricketeers would stop using it?


I thought the word in cricket was "googlie".


That is the cricket term.
I was puzzled as to what other use the word "google" has.
The website is Google and the cricketer bowls a googlie.


Jeremy Nixon October 5th 05 03:18 AM

wrote:

I thought the word in cricket was "googlie".


That is the cricket term.
I was puzzled as to what other use the word "google" has.
The website is Google and the cricketer bowls a googlie.


I included the dictionary definition in my previous post...

--
Jeremy |

Floyd Davidson October 5th 05 05:05 AM

(DoN. Nichols) wrote:
According to Floyd Davidson :

Here is the technical definition of "continious wave", according
to the FTC 1037C Standards, available at

http://www.its.bldrdoc.gov/fs-1037/fs-1037c.htm

continuous wave (cw): A wave of constant amplitude and
constant frequency.

Clearly it means a transmission that is neither amplitude,
frequency, nor phase modulated. Any such modulation necessarily
must cause a discontinuity in the wave. The only thing you can
do is turn it on and off... which is called radio telegraphy!


Well ... to *my* mind, even keying (turning on and off) is a
form of amplitude modulation -- a rather extreme one at 100% modulation.


Except that it is *not*.

And it is certainly causing a discontinuity in the wave.


If the wave is *not there*, it just doesn't exist and has no
characteristics. When it is there, it is not being modulated.
Turning it on and off may well produce some modulation effects,
but that "modulation" is not being used to pass information, and
in fact is a form of distortion that actually interferes with
the information rather than enabling it.

Of course when we get down to practical implementations, in
almost all cases we do have to treat c.w. as if it a modulation,
mostly in order to "shape" the distortion products in ways to
reduce the effects.

While the difference may not be obvious even at typical
c.w. speeds, and might be very hard to see at higher speeds...
think about such things as the very slow speeds often used for
such things as the original moon bounce work, or for breaking
path distance records at microwave frequencies. Circumstances
where a "dash" might be 10 or 20 seconds in length.

--
FloydL. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)


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