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I left my heart in a goth club in San Francisco =)
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Vance wrote:
On Jan 14, 10:12 am, Al Bar wrote: I left my heart in a goth club in San Francisco =) http://www.flickr.com/photos/mesolim...7612545672346/ No offense, but I live in San Francisco and you really need to take someone out who knows where to get the great image and how to get them. Nice snaps of your outing though. Vance So what's your idea of a great image location in San Francisco? |
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"Vance" wrote in message
... On Jan 14, 10:12 am, Al Bar wrote: I left my heart in a goth club in San Francisco =) http://www.flickr.com/photos/mesolim...7612545672346/ No offense, but I live in San Francisco and you really need to take someone out who knows where to get the great image and how to get them. Nice snaps of your outing though. If you take me out to the "great image" and show me how to get it, from a philosophical standpoint, why are they not your images. Compare with, if you show me how to see and just take me to an area. I am not picking on words and certainly don't mean to disparage your comment. But I think that on too many workshops, the instructor/group leader simply tells you where to plant your tripod and what exposure to use, as opposed to letting you do your thing and then making suggestions. with clear explanations. Last weekend I went to the beach with a friend, who is an excellent photo artist. We simultaneously saw the same shot. His was far superior to mine, simply because he shot from a slightly different angle. In my excitement, I never realized the alignment of a sunbeam reflection with some seaweed, until it was too late. Had he explained the alignment before he shot, the picture would have really been his, not mine. Yet it was a good learning experience for me. -- Peter |
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Peter wrote:
"Vance" wrote in message ... On Jan 14, 10:12 am, Al Bar wrote: I left my heart in a goth club in San Francisco =) http://www.flickr.com/photos/mesolim...7612545672346/ No offense, but I live in San Francisco and you really need to take someone out who knows where to get the great image and how to get them. Nice snaps of your outing though. If you take me out to the "great image" and show me how to get it, from a philosophical standpoint, why are they not your images. Compare with, if you show me how to see and just take me to an area. I am not picking on words and certainly don't mean to disparage your comment. But I think that on too many workshops, the instructor/group leader simply tells you where to plant your tripod and what exposure to use, as opposed to letting you do your thing and then making suggestions. with clear explanations. Last weekend I went to the beach with a friend, who is an excellent photo artist. We simultaneously saw the same shot. His was far superior to mine, simply because he shot from a slightly different angle. In my excitement, I never realized the alignment of a sunbeam reflection with some seaweed, until it was too late. Had he explained the alignment before he shot, the picture would have really been his, not mine. Yet it was a good learning experience for me. In Vance's defense, I must say that a simple Google search yields some rather interesting pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/Vance.Le...UZPU#slideshow However, I think assessing my understanding of San Francisco based on a single set is a bit rash ... and not to toot my own horn, but there are plenty of shots in my other sets that at least keep up the pace with the stuff in that slide show: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mesolim...7604525246694/ .... anyway I'm with you Peter, in that slight variations in a situation can completely make or break a photo =) |
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"Al Bar" wrote in message
... Peter wrote: "Vance" wrote in message ... On Jan 14, 10:12 am, Al Bar wrote: I left my heart in a goth club in San Francisco =) http://www.flickr.com/photos/mesolim...7612545672346/ No offense, but I live in San Francisco and you really need to take someone out who knows where to get the great image and how to get them. Nice snaps of your outing though. If you take me out to the "great image" and show me how to get it, from a philosophical standpoint, why are they not your images. Compare with, if you show me how to see and just take me to an area. I am not picking on words and certainly don't mean to disparage your comment. But I think that on too many workshops, the instructor/group leader simply tells you where to plant your tripod and what exposure to use, as opposed to letting you do your thing and then making suggestions. with clear explanations. Last weekend I went to the beach with a friend, who is an excellent photo artist. We simultaneously saw the same shot. His was far superior to mine, simply because he shot from a slightly different angle. In my excitement, I never realized the alignment of a sunbeam reflection with some seaweed, until it was too late. Had he explained the alignment before he shot, the picture would have really been his, not mine. Yet it was a good learning experience for me. In Vance's defense, I must say that a simple Google search yields some rather interesting pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/Vance.Le...UZPU#slideshow I hope my statement was not taken to be any attack upon Vance. It certainly was not intended to be one. If anyone does think it was I apologize. However, I think assessing my understanding of San Francisco based on a single set is a bit rash ... and not to toot my own horn, but there are plenty of shots in my other sets that at least keep up the pace with the stuff in that slide show: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mesolim...7604525246694/ ... anyway I'm with you Peter, in that slight variations in a situation can completely make or break a photo =) |
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Al Bar wrote:
Peter wrote: "Vance" wrote in message ... On Jan 14, 10:12 am, Al Bar wrote: I left my heart in a goth club in San Francisco =) http://www.flickr.com/photos/mesolim...7612545672346/ No offense, but I live in San Francisco and you really need to take someone out who knows where to get the great image and how to get them. Nice snaps of your outing though. If you take me out to the "great image" and show me how to get it, from a philosophical standpoint, why are they not your images. Compare with, if you show me how to see and just take me to an area. I am not picking on words and certainly don't mean to disparage your comment. But I think that on too many workshops, the instructor/group leader simply tells you where to plant your tripod and what exposure to use, as opposed to letting you do your thing and then making suggestions. with clear explanations. Last weekend I went to the beach with a friend, who is an excellent photo artist. We simultaneously saw the same shot. His was far superior to mine, simply because he shot from a slightly different angle. In my excitement, I never realized the alignment of a sunbeam reflection with some seaweed, until it was too late. Had he explained the alignment before he shot, the picture would have really been his, not mine. Yet it was a good learning experience for me. What you have described is a prime example of education in operation. Next time you take a photograph that experience will impact to some extent on how you see the next subject. Your interpretation of the image as being your friend's if you took his advice is not so; he is educating your sense of composition. If it were the case, then few of us would 'own' our images as we would have to attribute them to all of our educators and mentors, right back to primary school. Colin D. |
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"Colin.D" wrote in message
... Peter wrote: Last weekend I went to the beach with a friend, who is an excellent photo artist. We simultaneously saw the same shot. His was far superior to mine, simply because he shot from a slightly different angle. In my excitement, I never realized the alignment of a sunbeam reflection with some seaweed, until it was too late. Had he explained the alignment before he shot, the picture would have really been his, not mine. Yet it was a good learning experience for me. What you have described is a prime example of education in operation. Next time you take a photograph that experience will impact to some extent on how you see the next subject. Your interpretation of the image as being your friend's if you took his advice is not so; he is educating your sense of composition. If it were the case, then few of us would 'own' our images as we would have to attribute them to all of our educators and mentors, right back to primary school. I do not really disagree. I think there is a very fine line between inspirational education and outright copying. If my instructor set up the shot and all do is press the shutter, morally it is not my shot. Compare with, I visualize a shot and my instructor shows me how to technically accomplish my vision. That is just my opinion. Perhaps I'm being overly sensitive, but if I am presenting an image as an example of my creativity, it ought to be my creativity, not someone else's. The way I see it, that is the difference between an artist and a hack. -- Peter |
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Peter wrote:
"Colin.D" wrote in message ... Peter wrote: Last weekend I went to the beach with a friend, who is an excellent photo artist. We simultaneously saw the same shot. His was far superior to mine, simply because he shot from a slightly different angle. In my excitement, I never realized the alignment of a sunbeam reflection with some seaweed, until it was too late. Had he explained the alignment before he shot, the picture would have really been his, not mine. Yet it was a good learning experience for me. What you have described is a prime example of education in operation. Next time you take a photograph that experience will impact to some extent on how you see the next subject. Your interpretation of the image as being your friend's if you took his advice is not so; he is educating your sense of composition. If it were the case, then few of us would 'own' our images as we would have to attribute them to all of our educators and mentors, right back to primary school. I do not really disagree. I think there is a very fine line between inspirational education and outright copying. If my instructor set up the shot and all do is press the shutter, morally it is not my shot. Compare with, I visualize a shot and my instructor shows me how to technically accomplish my vision. That is just my opinion. Perhaps I'm being overly sensitive, but if I am presenting an image as an example of my creativity, it ought to be my creativity, not someone else's. The way I see it, that is the difference between an artist and a hack. Even creative people had to learn somewhere; only a total genius could accomplish a work without any prior input from some kind of teacher, or at least a study of others' work. Some have an 'artistic mind', others like me have a technical bent and are short on artistry, a problem I have wrestled with all my photographic life. Colin D. |
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Peter wrote:
"Vance" wrote in message ... On Jan 14, 10:12 am, Al Bar wrote: I left my heart in a goth club in San Francisco =) http://www.flickr.com/photos/mesolim...7612545672346/ No offense, but I live in San Francisco and you really need to take someone out who knows where to get the great image and how to get them. Nice snaps of your outing though. If you take me out to the "great image" and show me how to get it, from a philosophical standpoint, why are they not your images. Compare with, if you show me how to see and just take me to an area. I am not picking on words and certainly don't mean to disparage your comment. But I think that on too many workshops, the instructor/group leader simply tells you where to plant your tripod and what exposure to use, as opposed to letting you do your thing and then making suggestions. with clear explanations. Last weekend I went to the beach with a friend, who is an excellent photo artist. We simultaneously saw the same shot. His was far superior to mine, simply because he shot from a slightly different angle. In my excitement, I never realized the alignment of a sunbeam reflection with some seaweed, until it was too late. Had he explained the alignment before he shot, the picture would have really been his, not mine. Yet it was a good learning experience for me. "Hey you stole my shot!" is a common, not quite joking refrain on photo outings with friends (this goes both ways). I was in Chaco Canyon this fall & stole this shot from a LF photographer who was set up waiting for the light to change or something. I asked, she laughed & said I was only about the 12th person to do so. Of course her camera was in the way of taking the exact shot she set up g The stolen photo: http://edgehill.net/Southwest/9-12-0...co-cyn/pg8pc46 (I still need to finish uploading, organizing & annotating all these zillions of shots) -- Paul Furman www.edgehill.net www.baynatives.com all google groups messages filtered due to spam |
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"Paul Furman" wrote in message
... Peter wrote: "Vance" wrote in message ... On Jan 14, 10:12 am, Al Bar wrote: I left my heart in a goth club in San Francisco =) http://www.flickr.com/photos/mesolim...7612545672346/ No offense, but I live in San Francisco and you really need to take someone out who knows where to get the great image and how to get them. Nice snaps of your outing though. If you take me out to the "great image" and show me how to get it, from a philosophical standpoint, why are they not your images. Compare with, if you show me how to see and just take me to an area. I am not picking on words and certainly don't mean to disparage your comment. But I think that on too many workshops, the instructor/group leader simply tells you where to plant your tripod and what exposure to use, as opposed to letting you do your thing and then making suggestions. with clear explanations. Last weekend I went to the beach with a friend, who is an excellent photo artist. We simultaneously saw the same shot. His was far superior to mine, simply because he shot from a slightly different angle. In my excitement, I never realized the alignment of a sunbeam reflection with some seaweed, until it was too late. Had he explained the alignment before he shot, the picture would have really been his, not mine. Yet it was a good learning experience for me. "Hey you stole my shot!" is a common, not quite joking refrain on photo outings with friends (this goes both ways). I was in Chaco Canyon this fall & stole this shot from a LF photographer who was set up waiting for the light to change or something. I asked, she laughed & said I was only about the 12th person to do so. Of course her camera was in the way of taking the exact shot she set up g The stolen photo: http://edgehill.net/Southwest/9-12-0...co-cyn/pg8pc46 (I still need to finish uploading, organizing & annotating all these zillions of shots) We used to have an A-hole in our club who would make that complaint if anyone came near him while he was shooting. The president of our club subtly rebuked him. We had several competitions based upon a field trip in which all going went to the same spot. The purpose was to demonstrate how many different shots could be taken from the same spot. -- Peter |
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