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Epson 3800 and HP Z3100 printer reviews
Hi All,
I've placed reviews of the Epson 3800 and the HP Z3100 on my printer review page, and also a head to head comparision of their print quality (not entirely fair, because they are very different printers, but hey :): http://www.dimagemaker.com/specials/prttests.php Cheers, Wayne Wayne J. Cosshall Publisher, The Digital ImageMaker, http://www.dimagemaker.com/ Blog http://www.digitalimagemakerworld.com/ Publisher, Experimental Digital Photography http://www.experimentaldigitalphotography.com Co-moderator, Yahoo Canon-350D list Workshops and seminars: http://www.thedigitalimagemaker.com/ Personal art site http://www.artinyourface.com/ |
Epson 3800 and HP Z3100 printer reviews
Wayne J. Cosshall wrote:
Hi All, I've placed reviews of the Epson 3800 and the HP Z3100 on my printer review page, and also a head to head comparision of their print quality (not entirely fair, because they are very different printers, but hey :): http://www.dimagemaker.com/specials/prttests.php Cheers, Wayne Wayne J. Cosshall Publisher, The Digital ImageMaker, http://www.dimagemaker.com/ Blog http://www.digitalimagemakerworld.com/ Publisher, Experimental Digital Photography http://www.experimentaldigitalphotography.com Co-moderator, Yahoo Canon-350D list Workshops and seminars: http://www.thedigitalimagemaker.com/ Personal art site http://www.artinyourface.com/ I'm sorry to say the reviews you made are very very very short on substance. I really cannot have a view on either based on your review. |
Epson 3800 and HP Z3100 printer reviews
Wayne J. Cosshall wrote:
Hi All, I've placed reviews of the Epson 3800 and the HP Z3100 on my printer review page, and also a head to head comparision of their print quality (not entirely fair, because they are very different printers, but hey :): http://www.dimagemaker.com/specials/prttests.php Cheers, Wayne At risk of sounding rude... The commentary and adjectives used in this "review" (3800) could be applied to just about ANY printer currently on the market. -Nothing specific to this printer, and ZERO details about anything. It was a nice thought, but I don't see how this would help a serious, discriminating shopper make a decision about this fairly serious printer. -- Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at: www.pbase.com/markuson |
Epson 3800 and HP Z3100 printer reviews
How on God's earth can you expect to be taken seriously when you print
drivel like this? Where are the spectrometer results? And... What on earth prompted you to even attempt to compare an industrial printer like the HP with an Epson destined for the desktop? I suppose you never thought to compare apples with apples? Next time you try to gain some credibility, try testing two industrial printers instead of a desktop and a free standing industrial machine. Where too are the comparisons of ink tank capacity? Just because Epson put "Pro" after the description of a printer doesn't make it an industrial machine. 80 ml. is hardly enough to start a production run of full width canvas panorama's is it? You just went down 5 points in my assessment of your ability to even write a credible report, much less a concise one. -- Australian Wedding Photography between Kempsy, NSW and Sunshine Coast. http://www.photosbydouglas.com Digital photos enlarged and printed on Canvas http://canvas.photosbydouglas.com ---------------------------------- "Wayne J. Cosshall" wrote in message ... : Hi All, : : I've placed reviews of the Epson 3800 and the HP Z3100 on my printer : review page, and also a head to head comparision of their print quality : (not entirely fair, because they are very different printers, but hey :): : http://www.dimagemaker.com/specials/prttests.php : : Cheers, : : Wayne : : Wayne J. Cosshall : Publisher, The Digital ImageMaker, http://www.dimagemaker.com/ : Blog http://www.digitalimagemakerworld.com/ : Publisher, Experimental Digital Photography : http://www.experimentaldigitalphotography.com : Co-moderator, Yahoo Canon-350D list : Workshops and seminars: http://www.thedigitalimagemaker.com/ : Personal art site http://www.artinyourface.com/ |
Epson 3800 and HP Z3100 printer reviews
Smee R11S wrote:
I'm sorry to say the reviews you made are very very very short on substance. I really cannot have a view on either based on your review. The HP is a setup and initial use report, as it says. I've changed the name on the 3800 from review to impressions, as it is that, my impressions from use. Cheers, Wayne -- Wayne J. Cosshall Publisher, The Digital ImageMaker, http://www.dimagemaker.com/ Blog http://www.digitalimagemakerworld.com/ |
Epson 3800 and HP Z3100 printer reviews
MarkČ wrote:
At risk of sounding rude... The commentary and adjectives used in this "review" (3800) could be applied to just about ANY printer currently on the market. -Nothing specific to this printer, and ZERO details about anything. It was a nice thought, but I don't see how this would help a serious, discriminating shopper make a decision about this fairly serious printer. I've changed it from a review to impressions. Frankly I saw little point in rehashing specifications, etc Cheers, Wayne -- Wayne J. Cosshall Publisher, The Digital ImageMaker, http://www.dimagemaker.com/ Blog http://www.digitalimagemakerworld.com/ |
Epson 3800 and HP Z3100 printer reviews
Douglas wrote:
How on God's earth can you expect to be taken seriously when you print drivel like this? Where are the spectrometer results? I don't do spectrophotometer tests. That does not make my impressions of print quality, etc less meanful, just what they are, impressions and observations from use. I've changed the name of the 3800 article from review to impressions. The Z3100 is called setup and initial use. And... What on earth prompted you to even attempt to compare an industrial printer like the HP with an Epson destined for the desktop? I did say in the first paragraph "This is not an even comparison, as the Epson 3800 and the HP Z3100 are very different printers. But I could not resist it. Ill leave out the obvious differences in size and paper handling and concentrate on the print quality." I think that spells it out, these are the two latest printers from these two companies, they were here at the same time and I wanted to compare PRINT QUALITY, nothing else. I suppose you never thought to compare apples with apples? Next time you try to gain some credibility, try testing two industrial printers instead of a desktop and a free standing industrial machine. Of course, and that's why I said I was only looking at print quality. Where too are the comparisons of ink tank capacity? Just because Epson put "Pro" after the description of a printer doesn't make it an industrial machine. 80 ml. is hardly enough to start a production run of full width canvas panorama's is it? You just went down 5 points in my assessment of your ability to even write a credible report, much less a concise one. -- Wayne J. Cosshall Publisher, The Digital ImageMaker, http://www.dimagemaker.com/ Blog http://www.digitalimagemakerworld.com/ |
Epson 3800 and HP Z3100 printer reviews
Wayne J. Cosshall wrote:
MarkČ wrote: At risk of sounding rude... The commentary and adjectives used in this "review" (3800) could be applied to just about ANY printer currently on the market. -Nothing specific to this printer, and ZERO details about anything. It was a nice thought, but I don't see how this would help a serious, discriminating shopper make a decision about this fairly serious printer. I've changed it from a review to impressions. Frankly I saw little point in rehashing specifications, etc Specifications wouldn't make it a review, either. Normally, reviews include analysis and testing, with examples given and results demonstrated (or at least detailed). But your move to "impressions" is appropriate, I think. -And good show...by not taking offense. :) -MarkČ -- Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at: www.pbase.com/markuson |
Epson 3800 and HP Z3100 printer reviews
Wayne J. Cosshall wrote:
Douglas wrote: How on God's earth can you expect to be taken seriously when you print drivel like this? Where are the spectrometer results? I don't do spectrophotometer tests. That does not make my impressions of print quality, etc less meanful, just what they are, impressions and observations from use. I've changed the name of the 3800 article from review to impressions. The Z3100 is called setup and initial use. And... What on earth prompted you to even attempt to compare an industrial printer like the HP with an Epson destined for the desktop? I did say in the first paragraph "This is not an even comparison, as the Epson 3800 and the HP Z3100 are very different printers. But I could not resist it. Resist next time... :) -On the other hand, don't take Douglas' rant too hard...since he has about as much credibility around here as Milli Vanilli has for vocals. -- Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at: www.pbase.com/markuson |
Epson 3800 and HP Z3100 printer reviews
MarkČ wrote:
I did say in the first paragraph "This is not an even comparison, as the Epson 3800 and the HP Z3100 are very different printers. But I could not resist it. Resist next time... :) -On the other hand, don't take Douglas' rant too hard...since he has about as much credibility around here as Milli Vanilli has for vocals. LOLOL Agreed (about resisting next time). I've further revised the head to head to spell out just why and what I was interested in. There is an interesting side to this, and I'll do a followup piece on it. And that is that I often see people on a couple of other lists I am on debating whether they can get away with a printer like the 3800 (or even 2800) or whether they need to go to something like the 7800 or Z3100. Now of course there is really no comparison between the two: the paper handling options, width, ink capacity and likely longevity and ease of service make a Z3100 far superior. But in terms of print quality they can be VERY close, so it depends on what people are looking for. BTW the criticisms were mostly valid, so there was no point in taking offense. Cheers, Wayne -- Wayne J. Cosshall Publisher, The Digital ImageMaker, http://www.dimagemaker.com/ Blog http://www.digitalimagemakerworld.com/ |
Epson 3800 and HP Z3100 printer reviews
Wayne J. Cosshall wrote:
MarkČ wrote: I did say in the first paragraph "This is not an even comparison, as the Epson 3800 and the HP Z3100 are very different printers. But I could not resist it. Resist next time... :) -On the other hand, don't take Douglas' rant too hard...since he has about as much credibility around here as Milli Vanilli has for vocals. LOLOL Agreed (about resisting next time). I've further revised the head to head to spell out just why and what I was interested in. There is an interesting side to this, and I'll do a followup piece on it. And that is that I often see people on a couple of other lists I am on debating whether they can get away with a printer like the 3800 (or even 2800) or whether they need to go to something like the 7800 or Z3100. Now of course there is really no comparison between the two: the paper handling options, width, ink capacity and likely longevity and ease of service make a Z3100 far superior. But in terms of print quality they can be VERY close, so it depends on what people are looking for. I think the more ligical alternative to the 3800 is the 4800. It can use 110ml and/or 220ml ink carts, and is built to true industrial standards. But of course the prints look very similar. -The 7800 adds ONLY width capacity over the 4800, and shouldn't be expected to deliver better prints at the same size. -- Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at: www.pbase.com/markuson |
Epson 3800 and HP Z3100 printer reviews
MarkČ wrote:
I think the more ligical alternative to the 3800 is the 4800. It can use 110ml and/or 220ml ink carts, and is built to true industrial standards. But of course the prints look very similar. -The 7800 adds ONLY width capacity over the 4800, and shouldn't be expected to deliver better prints at the same size. In fact I have a theory that within a printer range with consistent head design, the highest print quality may be with the smaller printer, assuming other things remain the same, like print head resolution, etc, because you would expect they could make a printer more accurate when the moving parts cover less distance. I'll setup a test and see. Cheers, Wayne -- Wayne J. Cosshall Publisher, The Digital ImageMaker, http://www.dimagemaker.com/ Blog http://www.digitalimagemakerworld.com/ |
Epson 3800 and HP Z3100 printer reviews
"Wayne J. Cosshall" wrote in message ... : MarkČ wrote: : : I think the more ligical alternative to the 3800 is the 4800. It can use : 110ml and/or 220ml ink carts, and is built to true industrial standards. : : But of course the prints look very similar. -The 7800 adds ONLY width : capacity over the 4800, and shouldn't be expected to deliver better prints : at the same size. : In fact I have a theory that within a printer range with consistent head : design, the highest print quality may be with the smaller printer, : assuming other things remain the same, like print head resolution, etc, : because you would expect they could make a printer more accurate when : the moving parts cover less distance. I'll setup a test and see. : : Cheers, : : Wayne ------------------------- You are right about the size/quality issue Wayne. I have several HP designjets and 2 Epson photo printers. The r2400 does a way nicer print than the 7800 but then it is an absolute pig at handling roll paper and it costs about 60% more for ink carts on a ml/dollar basis and absolutely pours it on to boot. I only use it in one instance now and this year is slated to be replaced with a chemical printer. The single most economical printer I have owned in the past 4 years is a HP designjet 130. This machine was a dye ink printer but it produced colour as good as any Epson of the day. It too had woeful paper handling. The Canon 44" I bought last year lasted a mere 3 month before getting dumped in favour of another designjet. The 7800 Epson spits ink all over a page just as it gets to the last few inches of a 6 feet long print, ruining it in the process. The single most expensive to run, wide format printer I have ever owned. Drop in to one of my print centres if you ever come to Queensland and see first hand which ones are the cheapest to run... Use my measuring gear to check the prints scientifically too. Mark square head is typical of every American I have ever met. Over bearing, outspoken, ill informed and unwilling to accept that anyone outside the USA has ever had an original idea or can do anything as well or better than a yank. Yankee go home should read Yankee stay home in his case. He's an embarrassment to the male of his species (whatever it is and it sure isn't human) and his country. -- Australian Wedding Photography between Kempsy, NSW and Sunshine Coast. http://www.photosbydouglas.com Digital photos enlarged and printed on Canvas http://canvas.photosbydouglas.com |
Epson 3800 and HP Z3100 printer reviews
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The Canon 44" I bought last year lasted a mere 3 month before getting dumped in favour of another designjet. The 7800 Epson spits ink all over a page just as it gets to the last few inches of a 6 feet long print, ruining it in the process. The single most expensive to run, wide format printer I have ever owned. I have both the Epson 4800 as well as the 9800 - to control the ink, I use a ColorBurst rip. - http://www.colorburstrip.com/cbpro.html |
Epson 3800 and HP Z3100 printer reviews
Douglas wrote:
"Wayne J. Cosshall" wrote in message ... MarkČ wrote: I think the more ligical alternative to the 3800 is the 4800. It can use 110ml and/or 220ml ink carts, and is built to true industrial standards. But of course the prints look very similar. -The 7800 adds ONLY width capacity over the 4800, and shouldn't be expected to deliver better prints at the same size. In fact I have a theory that within a printer range with consistent head design, the highest print quality may be with the smaller printer, assuming other things remain the same, like print head resolution, etc, because you would expect they could make a printer more accurate when the moving parts cover less distance. I'll setup a test and see. Cheers, Wayne ------------------------- You are right about the size/quality issue Wayne. I have several HP designjets and 2 Epson photo printers. The r2400 does a way nicer print than the 7800 but then it is an absolute pig at handling roll paper and it costs about 60% more for ink carts on a ml/dollar basis and absolutely pours it on to boot. I only use it in one instance now and this year is slated to be replaced with a chemical printer. The single most economical printer I have owned in the past 4 years is a HP designjet 130. This machine was a dye ink printer but it produced colour as good as any Epson of the day. It too had woeful paper handling. The Canon 44" I bought last year lasted a mere 3 month before getting dumped in favour of another designjet. The 7800 Epson spits ink all over a page just as it gets to the last few inches of a 6 feet long print, ruining it in the process. The single most expensive to run, wide format printer I have ever owned. Drop in to one of my print centres if you ever come to Queensland and see first hand which ones are the cheapest to run... Use my measuring gear to check the prints scientifically too. Mark square head is typical of every American I have ever met. Over bearing, outspoken, ill informed and unwilling to accept that anyone outside the USA has ever had an original idea or can do anything as well or better than a yank. Quote me, Douglas. I've NEVER asserted such an idea. Never. I'd be the first to admist that the US has no corner on genius. -That's just the little green man in your head talking again... Yankee go home should read Yankee stay home in his case. He's an embarrassment to the male of his species (whatever it is and it sure isn't human) and his country. Ha ha! Oh Douglas... Surely America isn't the only country with people who call it as they see it...which is what I did in your case. You heavily slammed the OP, and I gave you a small bit of your own medicine. Can't take it? -Don't dish it, chum. -- Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at: www.pbase.com/markuson |
Epson 3800 and HP Z3100 printer reviews
Douglas wrote:
------------------------- You are right about the size/quality issue Wayne. I have several HP designjets and 2 Epson photo printers. The r2400 does a way nicer print than the 7800 but then it is an absolute pig at handling roll paper and it costs about 60% more for ink carts on a ml/dollar basis and absolutely pours it on to boot. I only use it in one instance now and this year is slated to be replaced with a chemical printer. The single most economical printer I have owned in the past 4 years is a HP designjet 130. This machine was a dye ink printer but it produced colour as good as any Epson of the day. It too had woeful paper handling. The Canon 44" I bought last year lasted a mere 3 month before getting dumped in favour of another designjet. The 7800 Epson spits ink all over a page just as it gets to the last few inches of a 6 feet long print, ruining it in the process. The single most expensive to run, wide format printer I have ever owned. Drop in to one of my print centres if you ever come to Queensland and see first hand which ones are the cheapest to run... Use my measuring gear to check the prints scientifically too. Mark square head is typical of every American I have ever met. Over bearing, outspoken, ill informed and unwilling to accept that anyone outside the USA has ever had an original idea or can do anything as well or better than a yank. Yankee go home should read Yankee stay home in his case. He's an embarrassment to the male of his species (whatever it is and it sure isn't human) and his country. Hi Douglas, Thanks for sharing your printer experiences. And the invite. I will next time I am up in QLD. Re your American comments, I must say I have lots of American friends who are dear to me and lovely people. Cheers, Wayne -- Wayne J. Cosshall Publisher, The Digital ImageMaker, http://www.dimagemaker.com/ Blog http://www.digitalimagemakerworld.com/ |
Epson 3800 and HP Z3100 printer reviews
Douglas wrote:
How on God's earth can you expect to be taken seriously when you .... Snipped bits out continue to top post? -- lsmft |
Epson 3800 and HP Z3100 printer reviews
Why does everyone get so damn anal about "top posting"???? It's as if
someone committed a damn crime for Christ's sake. Geez, can't you scroll up (or down) with a mouse? GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!! "John McWilliams" wrote in message . .. Douglas wrote: How on God's earth can you expect to be taken seriously when you .... Snipped bits out continue to top post? -- lsmft Why does everyone get so damn anal about "top posting"???? It's as if someone committed a damn crime for Christ's sake. Geez, can't you scroll up (or down) with a mouse? GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Epson 3800 and HP Z3100 printer reviews
Smitty wrote:
Why does everyone get so damn anal about "top posting"???? It's as if someone committed a damn crime for Christ's sake. Geez, can't you scroll up (or down) with a mouse? GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!! "John McWilliams" wrote in message . .. Douglas wrote: How on God's earth can you expect to be taken seriously when you .... Snipped bits out continue to top post? -- lsmft Why does everyone get so damn anal about "top posting"???? It's as if someone committed a damn crime for Christ's sake. Geez, can't you scroll up (or down) with a mouse? GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's not about scrolling. It's simply about knowing exactly what a person's comments are responding to. This becomes especially important in conversations between several people, where there are many comments about portions of other posts. -- Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at: www.pbase.com/markuson |
Epson 3800 and HP Z3100 printer reviews
Smitty wrote:
Why does everyone get so damn anal about "top posting"???? It's as if someone committed a damn crime for Christ's sake. Geez, can't you scroll up (or down) with a mouse? GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!! moronic grasp Obviously can't picture the big posters top. Greg -- "All my time I spent in heaven Revelries of dance and wine Waking to the sound of laughter Up I'd rise and kiss the sky" - The Mekons |
Epson 3800 and HP Z3100 printer reviews
Douglas wrote:
Drop in to one of my print centres if you ever come to Queensland and see first hand which ones are the cheapest to run... Use my measuring gear to check the prints scientifically too. Will Douglas give an address, or even just the name in which they can be found in the phone book??? (The 'famous' 'TechnoAussie' print franchises never existed, except in Douglas' head.) Or do we have to look for his market stall..? .....is typical of every American I have ever met... Rest of stupid rant snipped. Douglas attacks the messenger when he loses the plot/debate. Just ignore him, Wayne. Or for a chuckle, look up his postings on enlargements (his have 'added detail' and he claims he can achieve a sharp 36x24 from a 6x4...), perspective (he thinks it is all about lens focal length, and not about distance from subject), depth of field calculations (he just gets it wrong), or Panasonic FZ20's that match medium format quality... Here's some of his expertise: http://www.photosbydouglas.com/Galle...20(Small).html (like I said, he seems to have problems with controlling d-o-f) http://www.photosbydouglas.com/Galle...20(Small).html (How could a 250Kb jpg be that bad??? And did he really focus on the tree?) Any questions? (O: |
Epson 3800 and HP Z3100 printer reviews
wrote:
Just ignore him, Wayne. Or for a chuckle, look up his postings on enlargements (his have 'added detail' and he claims he can achieve a sharp 36x24 from a 6x4...), perspective (he thinks it is all about lens focal length, and not about distance from subject), depth of field calculations (he just gets it wrong), or Panasonic FZ20's that match medium format quality... I try not to take anything about my articles personally. Used to but I hope I have grown up :) People had legit complaints about the articles, so I fixed them. That's good as it makes them clearer, which is what I want. Then if people get something useful out of them, that is excellent. Cheers, Wayne -- Wayne J. Cosshall Publisher, The Digital ImageMaker, http://www.dimagemaker.com/ Blog http://www.digitalimagemakerworld.com/ |
Epson 3800 and HP Z3100 printer reviews
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Epson 3800 and HP Z3100 printer reviews
: : Here's some of his expertise: : http://www.photosbydouglas.com/Galle...20(Small).html : (like I said, he seems to have problems with controlling d-o-f) : http://www.photosbydouglas.com/Galle...20(Small).html : (How could a 250Kb jpg be that bad??? And did he really focus on the : tree?) : : Wow... -Nothing like taking your subjects out in WHITE t-shirts...under : MID-DAY SUN(!!!) : That's about as poorly-planned as it gets... ::( : : -- Here you go again, pathetic moron... Tell me which professional photographer you know who does not deliberately post such pics to prevent the client (or fools like you) downloading his/her quality images without paying? Somehow you seem to think I should post my proofs without compression and in final edit form so it conforms to your idea of perfect. Unlike you, I have a vested interest in NOT posting final edit images. When you actually do grow up. You'll get to understand that not all English is spelt in the American mangled version of the language and pointing out spelling mistakes (one of your other moronic traits) is pretty obnoxious stuff, just as attempting to belittle someone who derives a living from an industry you don't have the balls to be in. Get a life child... The one you lead now is absolutely pathetic if trolling the newsgroups for someone to flame is the highlight of your day. Next time you decide to hijack someone else's thread... Keep in mind you are behaving in the classic mould of a troll because that's all you are. -- Australian Wedding Photography between Kempsy, NSW and Sunshine Coast. http://www.photosbydouglas.com Digital photos enlarged and printed on Canvas http://canvas.photosbydouglas.com |
Epson 3800 and HP Z3100 printer reviews
Douglas wrote:
Here's some of his expertise: http://www.photosbydouglas.com/Galle...20(Small).html (like I said, he seems to have problems with controlling d-o-f) http://www.photosbydouglas.com/Galle...20(Small).html (How could a 250Kb jpg be that bad??? And did he really focus on the tree?) Wow... -Nothing like taking your subjects out in WHITE t-shirts...under MID-DAY SUN(!!!) That's about as poorly-planned as it gets... :( -- Here you go again, pathetic moron... Tell me which professional photographer you know who does not deliberately post such pics to prevent the client (or fools like you) downloading his/her quality images without paying? So you're saying that you post your crappy photos on purpose? Why? That's about as convincing as the kid who trips on his way down the stairs, and then insists that he "meant to do that..." Somehow you seem to think I should post my proofs without compression and in final edit form so it conforms to your idea of perfect. Unlike you, I have a vested interest in NOT posting final edit images. Compression has NOTHING to do with lighting, planning, mid-day sun, and white t-shirts. Any photog worth his salt knows that you don't take clients out in mid-day, cloudless sun and shoot portraits--expecially not in white t-shirts. Now what part of that is trolling? When you actually do grow up. You'll get to understand that not all English is spelt in the American mangled version of the language and pointing out spelling mistakes (one of your other moronic traits) is pretty obnoxious stuff, just as attempting to belittle someone who derives a living from an industry you don't have the balls to be in. You must have me mixed up with someone else, Douglas. I don't point out spelling mistakes. Maybe never. There are many Marks here, but only one me. I don't use any other screen names (unlike yourself). You have this bad habit of assuming you know who you're talking to (someone else), attaching all sorts of actions and posts to me that I haven't made. Get a life child... The one you lead now is absolutely pathetic if trolling the newsgroups for someone to flame is the highlight of your day. Next time you decide to hijack someone else's thread... Keep in mind you are behaving in the classic mould of a troll because that's all you are. Again... You seem to have me mixed up with someone else. You've done this at least twice before. -- Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at: www.pbase.com/markuson |
Epson 3800 and HP Z3100 printer reviews
I actually take you seriously Mark, about not being able to follow a thread
properly unless it was bottom posted.. Not just more absurd crap from the master of verbal drivel but a frank admission of his inability to read proper English. No where in the world is there more quasi "standards" than on the Internet. Everyone here has a perception of how it has to be and not a single one has a clue how to make it that way. If the largest manufacturer of software in the world defaults their news reader to top posting, that's good enough for me. "Stick your request for comments" in the same mail box you use to receive all the other spam. One day you and a couple of other militant morons will discover you have no right to even attempt to impose your ideas of correctness on anyone else and (hopefully) stop the practice... Although that might actually be asking too much from those with such feeble powers of deduction as you have Mark. -- Australian Wedding Photography between Kempsy, NSW and Sunshine Coast. http://www.photosbydouglas.com Digital photos enlarged and printed on Canvas http://canvas.photosbydouglas.com ----------------- It's not about scrolling. It's simply about knowing exactly what a person's comments are responding to. This becomes especially important in conversations between several people, where there are many comments about portions of other posts. |
Epson 3800 and HP Z3100 printer reviews
Douglas wrote:
I actually take you seriously Mark, about not being able to follow a thread properly unless it was bottom posted.. What's funny about your comment there is that you can't even keep track of who PEOPLE are, Douglas! I've NEVER flamed anyone for top-posting. Not just more absurd crap from the master of verbal drivel but a frank admission of his inability to read proper English. No where in the world is there more quasi "standards" than on the Internet. Everyone here has a perception of how it has to be and not a single one has a clue how to make it that way. If the largest manufacturer of software in the world defaults their news reader to top posting, that's good enough for me. "Stick your request for comments" in the same mail box you use to receive all the other spam. One day you and a couple of other militant morons will discover you have no right to even attempt to impose your ideas of correctness on anyone else and (hopefully) stop the practice... Although that might actually be asking too much from those with such feeble powers of deduction as you have Mark. Once again, Douglas, you have me confused with someone else, as you've done many times. I have never...NEVER...jumped on someone for top-posting. Not one SINGLE time. In this instance, I merely explained why it can be helpful. If you really think you're talking to someone (me) who has flamed people for top-posting, then I officially challenge you to find a post from me where I do so. I haven't. It's not about scrolling. It's simply about knowing exactly what a person's comments are responding to. This becomes especially important in conversations between several people, where there are many comments about portions of other posts. -- Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at: www.pbase.com/markuson |
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Off topic.
Douglas wrote: http://www.photosbydouglas.com/Galle...20(Small).html : (How could a 250Kb jpg be that bad??? And did he really focus on the : tree?) : : Wow... -Nothing like taking your subjects out in WHITE t-shirts...under : MID-DAY SUN(!!!) : That's about as poorly-planned as it gets... ::( : : -- Here you go again, pathetic moron... Tell me which professional photographer you know who does not deliberately post such pics to prevent the client (or fools like you) downloading his/her quality images without paying? All of them. It's only Douglas that believes: - anyone is even remotely interested in downloading and using dead-set boring and poorly executed family portraits - that you can somehow usefully enlarge an image that is only .. wait for it.. 640 x 430 pixels. To Douglas of course, that would easily enlarge to 36" x 24", with 'added detail' from his magical, still untested algorithm. (see at the bottom of this page: http://hannemyr.com/photo/interpolation.html) - that he can best display his work by deliberately (haha!) damaging it. Somehow, I'm more inclined to believe it is more about lack of experience. Example, here, he uses a fairly good jpg as his title image (at top of page). http://www.photosbydouglas.com/example-index.htm Yet here - ON HIS TITLE PAGE!!!, he uses a GIF version (!!!), with dithering, blown highlights, etc. http://www.photosbydouglas.com/ ????? Yes, he's fiendishly clever, is Douglas. Somehow you seem to think I should post my proofs without compression and in final edit form so it conforms to your idea of perfect. 'Final edit form' is 640 x 430 pixels, is it? I'd choose slightly higher resolution originals, if I was him... Unlike you, I have a vested interest in NOT posting final edit images. Yep, because Sooo Many people would want to take those gooooorgeous images and use them as their desktop wallpapers, or sell them on the black market... (O: When you actually do grow up. You'll get to understand that not all English is spelt in the American mangled version of the language and pointing out spelling mistakes (one of your other moronic traits) is pretty obnoxious stuff, just as attempting to belittle someone who derives a living from an industry you don't have the balls to be in. (rant snipped) As usual, he attacks the person rather than the facts. Anyway, I'm off comet chasing!! Bye. |
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Off topic. Douglas wrote: http://www.photosbydouglas.com/Galle...20(Small).html (How could a 250Kb jpg be that bad??? And did he really focus on the tree?) Wow... -Nothing like taking your subjects out in WHITE t-shirts...under MID-DAY SUN(!!!) That's about as poorly-planned as it gets... :( -- Here you go again, pathetic moron... Tell me which professional photographer you know who does not deliberately post such pics to prevent the client (or fools like you) downloading his/her quality images without paying? All of them. It's only Douglas that believes: - anyone is even remotely interested in downloading and using dead-set boring and poorly executed family portraits - that you can somehow usefully enlarge an image that is only .. wait for it.. 640 x 430 pixels. To Douglas of course, that would easily enlarge to 36" x 24", with 'added detail' from his magical, still untested algorithm. (see at the bottom of this page: http://hannemyr.com/photo/interpolation.html) - that he can best display his work by deliberately (haha!) damaging it. Somehow, I'm more inclined to believe it is more about lack of experience. Example, here, he uses a fairly good jpg as his title image (at top of page). http://www.photosbydouglas.com/example-index.htm Yet here - ON HIS TITLE PAGE!!!, he uses a GIF version (!!!), with dithering, blown highlights, etc. http://www.photosbydouglas.com/ ????? Yes, he's fiendishly clever, is Douglas. Somehow you seem to think I should post my proofs without compression and in final edit form so it conforms to your idea of perfect. 'Final edit form' is 640 x 430 pixels, is it? I'd choose slightly higher resolution originals, if I was him... Unlike you, I have a vested interest in NOT posting final edit images. Yep, because Sooo Many people would want to take those gooooorgeous images and use them as their desktop wallpapers, or sell them on the black market... (O: When you actually do grow up. You'll get to understand that not all English is spelt in the American mangled version of the language and pointing out spelling mistakes (one of your other moronic traits) is pretty obnoxious stuff, just as attempting to belittle someone who derives a living from an industry you don't have the balls to be in. (rant snipped) As usual, he attacks the person rather than the facts. Anyway, I'm off comet chasing!! Bye. Now Douglas... (since you're surely reading this)...I would like to simply point out that is NOT me. I hate to break it to you, but Mark is a rather common name, and there are many many Marks in the world. Not just one. I'm MarkČ...ONLY MarkČ...and ONLY post as MarkČ. So...if you want to rail away at Mark Thomas, then have at it. Just do yourself a favor, and stop assuming that all people in the world named Mark are one person. -- Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at: www.pbase.com/markuson |
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MarkČ wrote:
No where in the world is there more quasi "standards" than on the Internet. Everyone here has a perception of how it has to be and not a single one has a clue how to make it that way. If the largest manufacturer of software in the world defaults their news reader to top posting, that's good enough for me. "Stick your request for comments" in the same mail box you use to receive all the other spam. One day you and a couple of other militant morons will discover you have no right to even attempt to impose your ideas of correctness on anyone else and (hopefully) stop the practice... Although that might actually be asking too much from those with such feeble powers of deduction as you have Mark. Once again, Douglas, you have me confused with someone else, as you've done many times. I have never...NEVER...jumped on someone for top-posting. Not one SINGLE time. Perhaps he can't keep the people in his conversations straight because it's impossible to do so when quoted threads have multiple top posts intermingled within them? It amazes me when people so thoroughly illustrate the pitfalls of their own stubborn behavior while simultaneously resorting to infantile name calling directed at those who're simply trying to help them maintain a conversation in a sensible form. People have conversations in a chronological manner. This is normal. unless of course, you're Yoda and speaking to a bunch of Jedi using mind tricks... :) The next line is in deference to those who believe that attempting to follow *standards* isn't helpful in fostering the natural flow of conversation and therefor, unnecessary. (.anyway replies your reading be won't I , Douglas names me calling childishly bother don't And) |
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: : Now Douglas... (since you're surely reading this)...I would like to simply : point out that is NOT me. I hate to break it to : you, but Mark is a rather common name, and there are many many Marks in the : world. Not just one. I'm MarkČ...ONLY MarkČ...and ONLY post as MarkČ. : : So...if you want to rail away at Mark Thomas, then have at it. Just do : yourself a favor, and stop assuming that all people in the world named Mark : are one person. : : -- : Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at: : www.pbase.com/markuson : : I know exactly who you are and what your habits are. You are the idiot who thinks the moth picture is an excellent example of a "good" picture ROTFL at that one child!. |
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So this comment is not yours, eh?
----------------------------------------------- It's not about scrolling. It's simply about knowing exactly what a person's comments are responding to. This becomes especially important in conversations between several people, where there are many comments about portions of other posts. -- Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at: www.pbase.com/markuson ------------------------------------------------ "MarkČ" mjmorgan(lowest even number wrote in message ... : Douglas wrote: : I actually take you seriously Mark, about not being able to follow a : thread properly unless it was bottom posted.. : : What's funny about your comment there is that you can't even keep track of : who PEOPLE are, Douglas! : I've NEVER flamed anyone for top-posting. : Christ mate: get it right will you? You really can't follow a thread, can you? |
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Douglas wrote:
Now Douglas... (since you're surely reading this)...I would like to simply point out that is NOT me. I hate to break it to you, but Mark is a rather common name, and there are many many Marks in the world. Not just one. I'm MarkČ...ONLY MarkČ...and ONLY post as MarkČ. So...if you want to rail away at Mark Thomas, then have at it. Just do yourself a favor, and stop assuming that all people in the world named Mark are one person. -- Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at: www.pbase.com/markuson I know exactly who you are and what your habits are. You are the idiot who thinks the moth picture is an excellent example of a "good" picture ROTFL at that one child!. What the heck are you talking about, Douglas? -- Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at: www.pbase.com/markuson |
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Douglas wrote:
So this comment is not yours, eh? ----------------------------------------------- It's not about scrolling. It's simply about knowing exactly what a person's comments are responding to. This becomes especially important in conversations between several people, where there are many comments about portions of other posts. Exactly what part of that information was inappropriate? "MarkČ" mjmorgan(lowest even number wrote in message ... Douglas wrote: I actually take you seriously Mark, about not being able to follow a thread properly unless it was bottom posted.. What's funny about your comment there is that you can't even keep track of who PEOPLE are, Douglas! I've NEVER flamed anyone for top-posting. Christ mate: get it right will you? You really can't follow a thread, can you? Was there supposed to be a point to what you just typed? -- Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at: www.pbase.com/markuson |
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Your attitude JoeT, is almost as bad at mark moron's.
I know exactly what I'm doing and to whom I am addressing my remarks. Moron here thinks I'm lashing out at the equally outspoken idiot who steals other peoples images and puts them to his own (illegal) use on his own site without asking permission and thinks there is no wrong in doing this. Maybe I'm wrong and the old adage "it take one to know one" should reign? Even a $500 cash reward did not uncover the real identity of this rotten mongrel who thinks he's got support in these groups for his theft. Eventually it will surface when he makes a slip and I'll be waiting. Every dog has it's day and I'll have mine. No not him... But a man so obsessed with his ideas of correctness, he attempts to belittle others who participate in the group and show his mastery of computers and Internet images as he derides anyone who doesn't comply with his wants. Sadly there are quite a few of these sort of people interspersed amongst the Usenet community. Maybe strutting their stuff here makes up for having a little dick or something? In case you have actually lost the plot Joe, being a Thunderbird user... Outlook Express news reader catalogues replies so that following a thread is only slowed down by those bottom posters who insist on posting their few lines of comment at the bottom of 20 or 30 other people's messages which forces civilised people to engage in scrolling down to the often one line of quip, which is likely to induce RSI in the wheel finger if you persist with your notion that your method is correct. Really... If you can't follow a thread, what the hell are you doing trying to? The fact is; Top posting no more or less correct than bottom posting. It's just that I don't correct you for what I perceive as your annoying behaviour... Akin to a smoker demanding the right to make everyone else a passive smoker because they choose to smoke. So stop trying to impose your idea of right on me now, will you? As for insulting you... Why would I do that when you are simply engaging in a discussion spelt out almost hourly in any of a few million newsgroups? No friend, you can rest easy in my support of you having an opinion and the right to express it just so long as you don't engage in personal vilification like Mark Moron is doing to grandstand his opinion as he hijacks someone else's thread. He's only getting back what he gives and squealing like a stuck pig because of it... Lovely fellow indeed. NOT! Armed with a can for freeze spray, photographing colourful moths is child's play... Isn't it Mark? Douglas "JoeT" noway@today wrote in message . .. : MarkČ wrote: : : Once again, Douglas, you have me confused with someone else, as you've done : many times. : I have never...NEVER...jumped on someone for top-posting. : Not one SINGLE time. : : Perhaps he can't keep the people in his conversations straight because : it's impossible to do so when quoted threads have multiple top posts : intermingled within them? It amazes me when people so thoroughly : illustrate the pitfalls of their own stubborn behavior while : simultaneously resorting to infantile name calling directed at those : who're simply trying to help them maintain a conversation in a sensible : form. : : People have conversations in a chronological manner. This is normal. : unless of course, you're Yoda and speaking to a bunch of Jedi using mind : tricks... :) : : : : The next line is in deference to those who believe that attempting to : follow *standards* isn't helpful in fostering the natural flow of : conversation and therefor, unnecessary. : : (.anyway replies your reading be won't I , Douglas names me calling : childishly bother don't And) : : : : : : : : : |
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Cleaned out the shockers from Maui 2004 gallery did we?
--------------------------- : : I know exactly who you are and what your habits are. You are the : idiot who thinks the moth picture is an excellent example of a "good" : picture ROTFL at that one child!. : : What the heck are you talking about, Douglas? : |
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Douglas wrote:
Cleaned out the shockers from Maui 2004 gallery did we? I haven't touched that gallery for at least two years, Doug, and it never had a moth picture in it. Doug, you have done this many times...where somebody gets you angry (in this case, another mark, but Mark Thomas...not me)...and then you set about attaching any offense you've ever taken against anyone...out on me. This is a consistent problem you've had, and you're demonstrating it once again here. --------------------------- I know exactly who you are and what your habits are. You are the idiot who thinks the moth picture is an excellent example of a "good" picture ROTFL at that one child!. What the heck are you talking about, Douglas? -- Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at: www.pbase.com/markuson |
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On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 09:16:20 GMT, "Douglas"
wrote: So this comment is not yours, eh? ----------------------------------------------- It's not about scrolling. It's simply about knowing exactly what a person's comments are responding to. This becomes especially important in conversations between several people, where there are many comments about portions of other posts. *THAT* is not a flame. -- Angelina Jolie moved into a mansion in New Orleans with Brad Pitt where they say they will be very involved locally. The actress is nothing if not meticulous. Whenever Angelina Jolie orders in Chinese she's very careful to specify boy or girl. |
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Bill Funk wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 09:16:20 GMT, "Douglas" wrote: So this comment is not yours, eh? ----------------------------------------------- It's not about scrolling. It's simply about knowing exactly what a person's comments are responding to. This becomes especially important in conversations between several people, where there are many comments about portions of other posts. *THAT* is not a flame. FINALLY a voice of SANITY. Sheesh. I really do think there are mental issues being displayed here, and I find it rather disturbing. -- Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at: www.pbase.com/markuson |
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