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Celcius June 7th 06 02:22 PM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 
Hi everyone!

Why is the sky washed out while my wife with a point and shoot gets blue
skys?
It seems to me the sky was quite blue when I took this photo:
http://celestart.com/images/publiques/15.jpg

Any ideas? Recommendations?

Thanks,

Marcel



acl June 7th 06 02:56 PM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 
Ed Ruf wrote:
First guess would be improper white balance. The exif info in the
photo says the camera was set to manual WB. So, exactly how did you
set it? If you're just beginning start with auto WB of set the proper
preset for the scene at hand, such as sunny for this scene.


But did you look at the linked jpeg? The sky is just overexposed.

Daniel Silevitch June 7th 06 02:58 PM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 
On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:22:04 -0400, Celcius wrote:
Hi everyone!

Why is the sky washed out while my wife with a point and shoot gets blue
skys?
It seems to me the sky was quite blue when I took this photo:
http://celestart.com/images/publiques/15.jpg

Any ideas? Recommendations?


The sky is over-exposed; basically, it's so bright that the camera
sensor is saturating and just sees it as "white". You needed to tell the
camera to take in less light, either by using a faster shutter speed or
by stopping down the lens. Depending on the features your camera has,
there are a variety of ways of doing that.

-dms

Celcius June 7th 06 03:01 PM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 

"Daniel Silevitch" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:22:04 -0400, Celcius wrote:
Hi everyone!

Why is the sky washed out while my wife with a point and shoot gets blue
skys?
It seems to me the sky was quite blue when I took this photo:
http://celestart.com/images/publiques/15.jpg

Any ideas? Recommendations?


The sky is over-exposed; basically, it's so bright that the camera
sensor is saturating and just sees it as "white". You needed to tell the
camera to take in less light, either by using a faster shutter speed or
by stopping down the lens. Depending on the features your camera has,
there are a variety of ways of doing that.

-dms


Sorry Daniel, I forgot to say. I have a Canon Rebel XT and the lens I used
was a Canon EF-S 17-85mm 1 4.5-5.6 IS USM
Regards,
Marcel



Daniel Silevitch June 7th 06 03:33 PM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 
On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:01:21 -0400, Celcius wrote:

"Daniel Silevitch" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:22:04 -0400, Celcius wrote:
Hi everyone!

Why is the sky washed out while my wife with a point and shoot gets blue
skys?
It seems to me the sky was quite blue when I took this photo:
http://celestart.com/images/publiques/15.jpg

Any ideas? Recommendations?


The sky is over-exposed; basically, it's so bright that the camera
sensor is saturating and just sees it as "white". You needed to tell the
camera to take in less light, either by using a faster shutter speed or
by stopping down the lens. Depending on the features your camera has,
there are a variety of ways of doing that.

-dms


Sorry Daniel, I forgot to say. I have a Canon Rebel XT and the lens I used
was a Canon EF-S 17-85mm 1 4.5-5.6 IS USM


OK, so you have a camera with a full set of manual controls. A few
options:

When you meter, meter on the sky rather than the house. This will
convince the camera to take in less light.
Meter on the house, but dial in a negative exposure compensation.
Go into full manual mode, and set the aperture/shutter yourself
Switch from JPG mode to RAW mode; there may be useful data in the RAW
file that got lost when the camera converted to JPG.

-dms

Annika1980 June 7th 06 03:43 PM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 
The camera is exposing based on the dark tree in the center of the pic.
In those situations you should either dial in some exposure
compensation ( -1 would be a good starting point) or else simply go
into manual mode and expose manually.

And of course, if you shoot in RAW mode you might be able to recover
most of the blown out highlights.


acl June 7th 06 03:44 PM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 
Pat wrote:
The posts re the overexposed sky are generally correct. You can either
under expose or play with it in photoshop and fix it. Both are
perfectly good alternatives. Shooting in RAW might help, but RAW isn't
the cure-all than many people think.


This is impossible to fix in photoshop (except by copying a sky from
elsewhere), because the sky is just a solid area of 240 240 240.
Obviously, there is not enough information there to do anything. If this
had been shot in RAW, maybe it could have been saved, and maybe not.


I am "old school" so take my advice accordingly. If you are taking
lots of pictures like that and want the sky to look better, keep the
sky from overexposing in the first place and everything after that is
much easier. The way to do that is to invest in a polarizing filter.
That will allow you to darken a sky like that (plus keep interesting
details in it) without underexposing the rest of the image. It will
also cut out most glare that you encounter.


Indeed, a polariser is a good solution, not just to prevent overexposure
but to give more saturated skies etc. I don't see how this is old
school, though.

For an autofocus lens, you want a "circular polarizer" (don't ask why,
it's a long story, you just want one).

People in this group hate filters and they hate people who don't shoot
in RAW, but really, a filter is the answer. That's the way we did it
back in "the day" when we used that stuff called film.

Good luck with it.

Pat


Daniel Silevitch June 7th 06 03:52 PM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 
On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 10:17:10 -0400, Ed Ruf wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:22:04 -0400, in rec.photo.digital "Celcius"
wrote:

Hi everyone!

Why is the sky washed out while my wife with a point and shoot gets blue
skys?
It seems to me the sky was quite blue when I took this photo:
http://celestart.com/images/publiques/15.jpg

Any ideas? Recommendations?


First guess would be improper white balance. The exif info in the
photo says the camera was set to manual WB. So, exactly how did you
set it? If you're just beginning start with auto WB of set the proper
preset for the scene at hand, such as sunny for this scene.


I'd have to disagree. Open it up in an editor, and look at the sky. It's
a solid block of RGB 240,240,240. White-balance issues might give a
screwed up color, but there'd be _some_ variation across the image.

-dms

Pat June 7th 06 04:06 PM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 
The posts re the overexposed sky are generally correct. You can either
under expose or play with it in photoshop and fix it. Both are
perfectly good alternatives. Shooting in RAW might help, but RAW isn't
the cure-all than many people think.

I am "old school" so take my advice accordingly. If you are taking
lots of pictures like that and want the sky to look better, keep the
sky from overexposing in the first place and everything after that is
much easier. The way to do that is to invest in a polarizing filter.
That will allow you to darken a sky like that (plus keep interesting
details in it) without underexposing the rest of the image. It will
also cut out most glare that you encounter.

For an autofocus lens, you want a "circular polarizer" (don't ask why,
it's a long story, you just want one).

People in this group hate filters and they hate people who don't shoot
in RAW, but really, a filter is the answer. That's the way we did it
back in "the day" when we used that stuff called film.

Good luck with it.

Pat



Celcius wrote:
Hi everyone!

Why is the sky washed out while my wife with a point and shoot gets blue
skys?
It seems to me the sky was quite blue when I took this photo:
http://celestart.com/images/publiques/15.jpg

Any ideas? Recommendations?

Thanks,

Marcel



Mr.Bolshoyhuy June 7th 06 04:27 PM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 

Celcius wrote:
Hi everyone!

Why is the sky washed out while my wife with a point and shoot gets blue
skys?
It seems to me the sky was quite blue when I took this photo:


single use cameras use a fast shutter speed and ISO400 film.
that P&S might also were using a faster shutter speed than you set
your SLR. set to exp.comp. -1 and the sky will be blue.
thats what I did when taking a photo thru a tree stump into the sky.


Scott W June 7th 06 04:31 PM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 

Celcius wrote:
Hi everyone!

Why is the sky washed out while my wife with a point and shoot gets blue
skys?
It seems to me the sky was quite blue when I took this photo:
http://celestart.com/images/publiques/15.jpg

Any ideas? Recommendations?

Thanks,

Marcel

As others have said the sky is over exposed

learn to always shoot raw, you will be much happier, I would be very
surprised is the raw file of the exact shoot could not pull out a nice
looking blue sky.

In cases of a bright background, and many other hard lighting cases,
you can bracket to good effect.

Since the XT can take a jpeg file at the same time it does a raw you
can easily do some test taking the same type of shot and checking to
see how much better the image from the raw file can be compared to the
jpeg the camera produces.

Scott


Jim June 7th 06 04:44 PM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 
Careful use of a graduated neutral density filter might help getting good
color in the sky. What you need to do is cut down on the exposure of the
sky while leaving everything else alone.
Jim
"Pat" wrote in message
ups.com...
The posts re the overexposed sky are generally correct. You can either
under expose or play with it in photoshop and fix it. Both are
perfectly good alternatives. Shooting in RAW might help, but RAW isn't
the cure-all than many people think.

I am "old school" so take my advice accordingly. If you are taking
lots of pictures like that and want the sky to look better, keep the
sky from overexposing in the first place and everything after that is
much easier. The way to do that is to invest in a polarizing filter.
That will allow you to darken a sky like that (plus keep interesting
details in it) without underexposing the rest of the image. It will
also cut out most glare that you encounter.

For an autofocus lens, you want a "circular polarizer" (don't ask why,
it's a long story, you just want one).

People in this group hate filters and they hate people who don't shoot
in RAW, but really, a filter is the answer. That's the way we did it
back in "the day" when we used that stuff called film.

Good luck with it.

Pat



Celcius wrote:
Hi everyone!

Why is the sky washed out while my wife with a point and shoot gets blue
skys?
It seems to me the sky was quite blue when I took this photo:
http://celestart.com/images/publiques/15.jpg

Any ideas? Recommendations?

Thanks,

Marcel





GF3 June 7th 06 05:12 PM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 
Celcius wrote:


"Daniel Silevitch" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:22:04 -0400, Celcius wrote:
Hi everyone!

Why is the sky washed out while my wife with a point and shoot gets
blue skys?
It seems to me the sky was quite blue when I took this photo:
http://celestart.com/images/publiques/15.jpg

Any ideas? Recommendations?


The sky is over-exposed; basically, it's so bright that the camera
sensor is saturating and just sees it as "white". You needed to tell the
camera to take in less light, either by using a faster shutter speed or
by stopping down the lens. Depending on the features your camera has,
there are a variety of ways of doing that.

-dms


Sorry Daniel, I forgot to say. I have a Canon Rebel XT and the lens I used
was a Canon EF-S 17-85mm 1 4.5-5.6 IS USM
Regards,
Marcel


Canon's have poor exposure latitude. You will have to underexpose every shot
to prevent blowout.

Experiment until you find the best compromise.

--
George Fritschmann III

Celcius June 7th 06 05:19 PM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 

"Ed Ruf" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:22:04 -0400, in rec.photo.digital "Celcius"
wrote:

Hi everyone!

Why is the sky washed out while my wife with a point and shoot gets blue
skys?
It seems to me the sky was quite blue when I took this photo:
http://celestart.com/images/publiques/15.jpg

Any ideas? Recommendations?


First guess would be improper white balance. The exif info in the
photo says the camera was set to manual WB. So, exactly how did you
set it? If you're just beginning start with auto WB of set the proper
preset for the scene at hand, such as sunny for this scene.
__________________________________________________ ______
Ed Ruf Lifetime AMA# 344007 )
http://EdwardGRuf.com


Ed,
My was st at "sunny"
Marcel



Celcius June 7th 06 05:23 PM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 

"Pat" wrote in message
ups.com...
The posts re the overexposed sky are generally correct. You can either
under expose or play with it in photoshop and fix it. Both are
perfectly good alternatives. Shooting in RAW might help, but RAW isn't
the cure-all than many people think.

I am "old school" so take my advice accordingly. If you are taking
lots of pictures like that and want the sky to look better, keep the
sky from overexposing in the first place and everything after that is
much easier. The way to do that is to invest in a polarizing filter.
That will allow you to darken a sky like that (plus keep interesting
details in it) without underexposing the rest of the image. It will
also cut out most glare that you encounter.

For an autofocus lens, you want a "circular polarizer" (don't ask why,
it's a long story, you just want one).

People in this group hate filters and they hate people who don't shoot
in RAW, but really, a filter is the answer. That's the way we did it
back in "the day" when we used that stuff called film.

Good luck with it.

Pat

Thanks Pat.
I tried with my polarizing filter and it turned a tad better. However, the
sky was still ooverexposed ;-(
I can't try again now because it's overcast... we're getting rain soon ...
Marcel



acl June 7th 06 06:44 PM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 
King Sardon wrote:
On 7 Jun 2006 08:06:03 -0700, "Pat"
wrote:
A polarizing filter will help little with a hazy sky, and the picture
shows a hazy sky.

KS


It shows an overexposed sky. The original poster also says it was blue;
so it's probably just overexposed, not hazy.

Ingo von Borstel June 7th 06 07:06 PM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 
Hi,

I tried with my polarizing filter and it turned a tad better.
However, the sky was still ooverexposed ;-( I can't try again now
because it's overcast... we're getting rain soon ...


I don't think any filter will help another way you couldn't achieve
using only your camera. You just need less light, that is a
smaller aperture or a shorter shutter time.

I suggest next time you give it a try with various exposure settings,
ranging from -2 ... +2 compensation and take images simultaneously as
jpeg and RAW. Then have a look on the computer and judge which is best
so you'll know for the next time which way to go. After all: taking an
image more doesn't cost a single cent. Just be sure to delete the
unworthy pictures.

From my experience there is a lot more to raw data than jpeg, especially
if the light situation is difficult: you can safely alter exposure by
+/-2 levels on the computer. The backdraw is that it requires a lot of
time afterwards.

Best regards,
Ingoo

King Sardon June 7th 06 07:32 PM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 
On 7 Jun 2006 08:06:03 -0700, "Pat"
wrote:

The way to do that is to invest in a polarizing filter.
That will allow you to darken a sky like that (plus keep interesting
details in it) without underexposing the rest of the image. It will
also cut out most glare that you encounter.


A polarizing filter will help little with a hazy sky, and the picture
shows a hazy sky.

KS

John McWilliams June 7th 06 08:01 PM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 
Scott W wrote:
Celcius wrote:
Hi everyone!

Why is the sky washed out while my wife with a point and shoot gets blue
skys?
It seems to me the sky was quite blue when I took this photo:
http://celestart.com/images/publiques/15.jpg

Any ideas? Recommendations?

Thanks,

Marcel

As others have said the sky is over exposed

learn to always shoot raw, you will be much happier, I would be very
surprised is the raw file of the exact shoot could not pull out a nice
looking blue sky.

In cases of a bright background, and many other hard lighting cases,
you can bracket to good effect.

Since the XT can take a jpeg file at the same time it does a raw you
can easily do some test taking the same type of shot and checking to
see how much better the image from the raw file can be compared to the
jpeg the camera produces.


But that's well after the fact. There's but one review on the camera,
and I suggest concentrating on the histogram. Also, the blinking sky in
the review would be a big hint.

Bracketing in RAW gives incredible latitude. Even a single RAW image can
be developed in, say, two different ways, one for the house, and one for
the sky. Then you can layer the two, mask one, and paint on the mask to
reveal the bottom layer.

--
John McWilliams

King Sardon June 7th 06 10:27 PM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 
On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 19:44:18 +0200, acl
wrote:

King Sardon wrote:
On 7 Jun 2006 08:06:03 -0700, "Pat"
wrote:
A polarizing filter will help little with a hazy sky, and the picture
shows a hazy sky.

KS


It shows an overexposed sky. The original poster also says it was blue;
so it's probably just overexposed, not hazy.


If it was a clear blue sky, it would not be overexposed.

KS

Vinay June 7th 06 10:34 PM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 

Celcius wrote:
Hi everyone!

Why is the sky washed out while my wife with a point and shoot gets blue
skys?
It seems to me the sky was quite blue when I took this photo:
http://celestart.com/images/publiques/15.jpg

Any ideas? Recommendations?

Thanks,

Marcel


If you really want to take a 'perfect' shot you need to do some
homework on why blowouts happen on digital cameras. The sensor in your
digital camera is not capable of recording very small changes in light
intensities and color at the edges of the dynamic range of the camera
or in other words at the edges of the histogram that you see for the
image while playing it back (press the display button to get the
histogram). You should be able to see where your camera started to
loose information, which you may read as histogram going beyond the top
limit of the graph.
Since the problem is inherent to the way digitization of light happens,
there is no (current) way in your camera to fix the issue. Using a
polarizer dose fix the issue a bit but still the cmos sensor is not
capable of detecting small changes in light intensity of very bright
objects or of the shadows.

Solution: Since you have PS CS2 (evident from the exif data from the
posted file). I would suggest you to do the following.

1. Use a tripod to take pictures.
2. Shoot raw (captures more data)
3. Turn down the exposure so low that when you take the picture you can
only see the details of the sky and the rest stays underexposed.
4. Keep incrementing the exposure in steps (you need at least two or
three pictures of the same subject) and taking pictures at each step
until the most of the picture is over exposed and only shadow areas are
visible.
5. Load the images into CS2.
6. From the file menu, open the 'Merge to HDR' tool. HDR = High
Dynamic Range
7. Experiment with the tool until you get the desired range. (HDR merge
takes a long time - lot of number crunching internally)
8. Save your peace of art.

You may look for HDR over the internet to get more details on how it
works. There are better HDR merge tools available in the market but
since you haven't used it ever you'll be glad you did.

Here is a link I found:
http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tut...amic-range.htm

PS. Clouds do move very quickly, and so does the moon :)


Eric Miller June 7th 06 10:57 PM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 

"Celcius" wrote in message
...
Hi everyone!

Why is the sky washed out


Because it is over-exposed . . .
Because the tree in the middle is mostly shaded . . .
Because you shot the photo during the middle of the day.

You'd have achieved the same results with almost any camera, film or digital
at that moment on automatic settings shooting the same scene.

Next time, take the photo when the sun is at a low angle and shining on the
front of the house and you will get a blue sky because the tree and front of
the house will be much brighter in relation to the blue sky than in your
image.

But that's just the easy way. Of course, it won't work completely unless the
front of the house is pointed generally to the east or west.

You can also try polarizers, photoshop, combining multiple exposures and a
bunch of other stuff.

Eric Miller




[email protected] June 7th 06 11:08 PM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 
On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:22:04 -0400, "Celcius"
wrote:

Hi everyone!

Why is the sky washed out while my wife with a point and shoot gets blue
skys?
It seems to me the sky was quite blue when I took this photo:
http://celestart.com/images/publiques/15.jpg

Any ideas? Recommendations?

Thanks,

Marcel


You could use a polarizer, shoot RAW, underexpose, meter on the sky,
meter on the tree, resort to manual exposure, change the white
balance, diddle in Photoshop...

Bunch of crap.

Take the shot again when the sky is not so white.

Fred


--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com


Celcius June 7th 06 11:51 PM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:22:04 -0400, "Celcius"
wrote:

Hi everyone!

Why is the sky washed out while my wife with a point and shoot gets blue
skys?
It seems to me the sky was quite blue when I took this photo:
http://celestart.com/images/publiques/15.jpg

Any ideas? Recommendations?

Thanks,

Marcel


You could use a polarizer, shoot RAW, underexpose, meter on the sky,
meter on the tree, resort to manual exposure, change the white
balance, diddle in Photoshop...

Bunch of crap.

Take the shot again when the sky is not so white.

Fred

Thanks Fred,

You've given me hope ;-)))))
Best regards,
Marcel



Celcius June 7th 06 11:54 PM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 

"Celcius" wrote in message
...
Hi everyone!

Why is the sky washed out while my wife with a point and shoot gets blue
skys?
It seems to me the sky was quite blue when I took this photo:
http://celestart.com/images/publiques/15.jpg

Any ideas? Recommendations?

Thanks,

Marcel


Thank you everyone!
I pasted all your comments to a Word document and will try these in the
following days. This exchange proved to me that photography is not that
simple. But the way I look at it, it makes it all the more interesting.
Best regards,
Marcel



JohnR66 June 8th 06 12:48 AM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 
The solution in a situation where the subject was dark on a sunny, clear day
was to use a polarizer filter and dial in -1 of exposure (under expose by
one stop). Using RAW too would have helped as the sky was still not as blue
as I wanted.
John

"Celcius" wrote in message
...
Hi everyone!

Why is the sky washed out while my wife with a point and shoot gets blue
skys?
It seems to me the sky was quite blue when I took this photo:
http://celestart.com/images/publiques/15.jpg

Any ideas? Recommendations?

Thanks,

Marcel





2 June 8th 06 01:36 AM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 
"King Sardon" :

A polarizing filter will help little with a hazy sky, and the picture
shows a hazy sky.


Not likely. A hazy sky has no polarized light. It's scattered!

The filter to consider is either the graduated filter, or a Tiffin Ultra
Contrast #5, depending on how much you can stand the fakey graduated thing.



Jack Mac June 8th 06 03:44 AM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 
On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 23:48:16 GMT, "JohnR66" wrote:

The solution in a situation where the subject was dark on a sunny, clear day
was to use a polarizer filter and dial in -1 of exposure (under expose by
one stop). Using RAW too would have helped as the sky was still not as blue
as I wanted.
John

"Celcius" wrote in message
...
Hi everyone!

Why is the sky washed out while my wife with a point and shoot gets blue
skys?
It seems to me the sky was quite blue when I took this photo:
http://celestart.com/images/publiques/15.jpg

Any ideas? Recommendations?

Thanks,

Marcel



You say your wife's point and shoot camera gets blue sky.
Why not just use her camera? Is the DSLR really worth all
the extra effort?
Jack Mac


Scott W June 8th 06 04:09 AM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 
Jack Mac wrote:
You say your wife's point and shoot camera gets blue sky.
Why not just use her camera? Is the DSLR really worth all
the extra effort?

Yes, it is worth it.

Scott


King Sardon June 8th 06 05:08 AM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 
On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 19:36:30 -0500, "2" wrote:

"King Sardon" :

A polarizing filter will help little with a hazy sky, and the picture
shows a hazy sky.


Not likely. A hazy sky has no polarized light. It's scattered!


Correct.

KS

Peter Chant June 8th 06 08:27 AM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 
Ingo von Borstel wrote:

Hi,

I tried with my polarizing filter and it turned a tad better.
However, the sky was still ooverexposed ;-( I can't try again now
because it's overcast... we're getting rain soon ...


I don't think any filter will help another way you couldn't achieve
using only your camera. You just need less light, that is a
smaller aperture or a shorter shutter time.


A ND grad would help if used carefully. There is simply too much light at
the top and reducing the exposure would upset the exposure at the bottom of
the image.

--
http://www.petezilla.co.uk

Richard Kettlewell June 8th 06 11:39 AM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 
John McWilliams writes:
Bracketing in RAW gives incredible latitude. Even a single RAW image
can be developed in, say, two different ways, one for the house, and
one for the sky. Then you can layer the two, mask one, and paint on
the mask to reveal the bottom layer.


I've attempted this from time to time (in Gimp). Where the objects
crossing the horizon are buildings it's worked relatively well, but
where they are trees, it's proved incredibly difficult - I've found
they are too fiddly to get right without strange halos around them.

--
http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

Celcius June 8th 06 12:34 PM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 

"Jack Mac" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 23:48:16 GMT, "JohnR66" wrote:

The solution in a situation where the subject was dark on a sunny, clear

day
was to use a polarizer filter and dial in -1 of exposure (under expose by
one stop). Using RAW too would have helped as the sky was still not as

blue
as I wanted.
John

"Celcius" wrote in message
...
Hi everyone!

Why is the sky washed out while my wife with a point and shoot gets

blue
skys?
It seems to me the sky was quite blue when I took this photo:
http://celestart.com/images/publiques/15.jpg

Any ideas? Recommendations?

Thanks,

Marcel



You say your wife's point and shoot camera gets blue sky.
Why not just use her camera? Is the DSLR really worth all
the extra effort?
Jack Mac

Good question, Jack.

However, I bought a DSLR to use it and to learn photography. Otherwise, I
would have bought a P&S. This is also why I come to this forum as well as
alt.photography, rec.photo.digital.slr-systems, to learn and to seek help
from more knowledgeable than I.

I find this pastime quite interesting. It also allowed me to work with
Photoshop (7.0, CS1 and now CS2). When I think that so many retired people
hang around shopping centers for lack of something better to do....

Take care,

Marcel



dwight June 8th 06 01:10 PM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 
"Celcius" wrote in message
...

"Jack Mac" wrote in message
...

You say your wife's point and shoot camera gets blue sky.
Why not just use her camera? Is the DSLR really worth all
the extra effort?
Jack Mac

Good question, Jack.

However, I bought a DSLR to use it and to learn photography. Otherwise, I
would have bought a P&S. This is also why I come to this forum as well as
alt.photography, rec.photo.digital.slr-systems, to learn and to seek help
from more knowledgeable than I.

I find this pastime quite interesting. It also allowed me to work with
Photoshop (7.0, CS1 and now CS2). When I think that so many retired people
hang around shopping centers for lack of something better to do....

Take care,

Marcel


You took the shot using an automatic exposure setting. You left it up to the
camera to decide what was important in the picture.

I've never been pleased with the skies in my photos, using the Rebel XT in
any automatic modes. But, like you, I didn't buy the camera to point and
shoot.

My other camera has a live preview, so I was able to change shutter speed
and exposure on the fly before taking the shot. The XT doesn't give you that
option, but "mistakes" don't cost you anything.

It's time to turn the dial from automatic to manual. Read the book and then
set up some test shots. Play around with shutter speed and other settings in
increments and see what happens. This is when you'll be glad that you bought
a DSLR instead of a pocket camera.

You need to take control of this camera...

dwight
(strictly an amateur)



acl June 8th 06 01:41 PM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 

King Sardon wrote:
If it was a clear blue sky, it would not be overexposed.


I don't see the logic.


acl June 8th 06 02:10 PM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 
2 wrote:

Not likely. A hazy sky has no polarized light. It's scattered!

Not that this isn't true, but also the light that you see coming from
the clear sky is scattered (otherwise it'd be black like in space); it's
blue because of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rayleigh_scattering

Pat June 8th 06 03:27 PM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 
I wasn't there, but the OP says "It seems to me the sky was quite blue
when I took this photo". Therefore, it seems more likely that it just
washed out from overexposure.


King Sardon wrote:
On 7 Jun 2006 08:06:03 -0700, "Pat"
wrote:

The way to do that is to invest in a polarizing filter.
That will allow you to darken a sky like that (plus keep interesting
details in it) without underexposing the rest of the image. It will
also cut out most glare that you encounter.


A polarizing filter will help little with a hazy sky, and the picture
shows a hazy sky.

KS



J. Clarke June 8th 06 03:34 PM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 
Celcius wrote:


"Jack Mac" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 23:48:16 GMT, "JohnR66" wrote:

The solution in a situation where the subject was dark on a sunny, clear

day
was to use a polarizer filter and dial in -1 of exposure (under expose
by one stop). Using RAW too would have helped as the sky was still not
as

blue
as I wanted.
John

"Celcius" wrote in message
...
Hi everyone!

Why is the sky washed out while my wife with a point and shoot gets

blue
skys?
It seems to me the sky was quite blue when I took this photo:
http://celestart.com/images/publiques/15.jpg

Any ideas? Recommendations?

Thanks,

Marcel



You say your wife's point and shoot camera gets blue sky.
Why not just use her camera? Is the DSLR really worth all
the extra effort?
Jack Mac

Good question, Jack.

However, I bought a DSLR to use it and to learn photography. Otherwise, I
would have bought a P&S. This is also why I come to this forum as well as
alt.photography, rec.photo.digital.slr-systems, to learn and to seek help
from more knowledgeable than I.

I find this pastime quite interesting. It also allowed me to work with
Photoshop (7.0, CS1 and now CS2). When I think that so many retired people
hang around shopping centers for lack of something better to do....


You might find it instructive to look at the EXIF information from your
photo and hers and see what was different about her exposure.

Take care,

Marcel


--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Pat June 8th 06 03:38 PM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 
Umm, I'm at a loss on what to say. Let's see, the OP shoots a blue sky
on a beautiful sunny day. It gets overexposed and washed out. Your
response is to shoot when the sky is less white? Maybe you (and other
posters) think it's hazy, I guess. Didn't any of you look at the
picture and see the big-ol shadow from the birch trees next to the
driveway? You don't get that on overcast days where I live.

The only way to retake that picture when it is "less white" would be to
retake it at night.

Still, the OP needs to do 3 things.

1. Get a polarizer. Maybe a gradiant ND filter, too.
2. Stop shotting into the sun. The house IS in shadow, but he had to
lighten the picture to see it okay.
3. Correct the white balance on the picture. I looks like the picture
is lacking some blue.


wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:22:04 -0400, "Celcius"
wrote:

Hi everyone!

Why is the sky washed out while my wife with a point and shoot gets blue
skys?
It seems to me the sky was quite blue when I took this photo:
http://celestart.com/images/publiques/15.jpg

Any ideas? Recommendations?

Thanks,

Marcel


You could use a polarizer, shoot RAW, underexpose, meter on the sky,
meter on the tree, resort to manual exposure, change the white
balance, diddle in Photoshop...

Bunch of crap.

Take the shot again when the sky is not so white.

Fred


--
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Floyd L. Davidson June 8th 06 03:54 PM

Please, why is sky washed out?
 
"Pat" wrote:
Umm, I'm at a loss on what to say. Let's see, the OP shoots a blue sky
on a beautiful sunny day. It gets overexposed and washed out. Your
response is to shoot when the sky is less white? Maybe you (and other
posters) think it's hazy, I guess. Didn't any of you look at the
picture and see the big-ol shadow from the birch trees next to the
driveway? You don't get that on overcast days where I live.

The only way to retake that picture when it is "less white" would be to
retake it at night.

Still, the OP needs to do 3 things.

1. Get a polarizer. Maybe a gradiant ND filter, too.


Neither are of much value, IMHO.

2. Stop shotting into the sun. The house IS in shadow, but he had to
lighten the picture to see it okay.


Oh, absolutely. Of course it is difficult, for most
photographers, to rotate a house to get it into the sun...

Or if you live where I do, instead of shooting at noon, wait
until midnight for the sun to be on the other side of the house.

Fill flash??? :-)

3. Correct the white balance on the picture. I looks like the picture
is lacking some blue.


That might help some.

But reducing the exposure would be the single most effective step.

Added to that might be to shoot in raw mode to retain more data in
the shadows to allow software to lighten up the shadows without
blowing out the sky again.

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)


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